Wookie Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Typical isn't it... I finally get my holiday sorted out (Berlin for a week) and then this happens. I've got an early flight anyway (about 06:30), but this means that I am going to have to be at the airport from about midnight onwards... I'm going to Mr. Happy when I land in Germany, I can tell you. Anyone else likely to be in **** with this? Wookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Better that than a plane exploding, especially if you are on it. I used to work at Heathrow and had full security clearance, believe me it is much better this way. It is only a few hours. Have a good holiday Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 It says 'following this mornings....' but doesn't have a date on it, when was that issued? I flew last week (and will be again at the end of the month) and there were no more security measures than normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 It was last night and this morning. No hand luggage allowed on any aircraft. and severe delays as the security check everything. Personally don't get that one, what are they checking if you haven't got any hand luggage? Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted August 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I think that's the point... You might be getting stuff that's non-metallic onto the plane in your clothes and then meeting up with mates in the departure lounge to turn it into something that could take out a plane. Makes you wonder though, why not just heard people into a series of changing rooms, give them identical overalls for the duration of the flight and then bag and tag their belongings and clothes until they land. They could wear their documents in a plastic wallet on a string round their neck. Much safer. You could make the overalls orange so that people could see they were passengers. Hang on... didn't the US already try doing something like this, or am I thinking of something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 The important thing to remember is that this is all to protect our freedom and liberty Its not actually neccesary to blow anything up, simply say you are going to and get a few loonies to belive thats what they are supposed to be doing. If they make it, its a bonus. The greater the "success" of this "war on terror" the further and further underground they will go, and the harder it will be to find and stop them. Not to mention each and every act we sponsor simply serves to deepen the resent and hatred which fuels these kind of acts. Freedom? Don't make me laugh. Blair is to blame, he brought this on us by going into Iraq - yet we pay huge sums of our hard earned to ensure he is protected throughout so he can go on making stuid decisions and make it worse for us every day. The people I feel most for are the servicemen (and families) - they don't have a choice, underfunded and under-equipped yet dealing with it each and every day. Go Blair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 It's really comforting to be living in SW London, right under the Heathrow flightpath, with friends/family/colleagues flying frequently. Hats off to the Intelligence services for (hopefully) nipping this current problem in the bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4778575.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 And what’s the betting that when the powers that be do release details the perpetrators will NOT be WASPs or Jewish or ‘true blue’ Brits but Muslims British born they might be but they sure ain’t batting for this country and shouldn’t ‘British’ Muslims stop complaining about being harassed by the security forces and clean up their own act? Just like *****'s they don't seem to understand why people don't like 'em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 People like Bin Laden and Hamza are to blame, They have set their lives out to reek havoc on the civilised world. Blair can be blamed for a hell of a lot but not these idiots. I agree totally with Highlander, as far as I am concerned unless you accept the british way of life you can get out of the country. Britsh born muslim or thoroughbred fanatic if you don't like it go and live in a cave in afghanistan with the rest of the idiots. Maybe the US military ought to read this forum about smoking rats from their holes. You may need an engine bigger than a chainsaw but the effect would be the same. Put them all on a container ship with a hole in it and send them accross the atlantic. Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Have a read of this Wiki summary of a worryingly similar incident. There's speculation that the terrorist plot and the (allegedly) liquid explosives were basely upon these old Al Qaeda tactics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka If we didn't have a spineless bunch of socialist weaklings in government, this would have been dealt with by now. Time for a coup, I feel. Anybody free tomorrow to come and join me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 People like Bin Laden and Hamza are to blame, They have set their lives out to reek havoc on the civilised world. Blair can be blamed for a hell of a lot but not these idiots. I agree totally with Highlander, as far as I am concerned unless you accept the british way of life you can get out of the country. I take your point and understand it. Mine was that we would not be the direct target of this kind of thing if it were not for our "support" of Bush and his "war on terror". We are still not liked in a lot of places but until he did that we were probably not being singled out for special attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I take your point and understand it. Mine was that we would not be the direct target of this kind of thing if it were not for our "support" of Bush and his "war on terror". We are still not liked in a lot of places but until he did that we were probably not being singled out for special attention. Exactly Pin, why are people so surprised this is happening? As soon as we got on the end of the hook with the US over Iraq we became enemy No 2 to the Arab world, we have killed theirs and will make damn sure they kill ours. So we had better get used to living like this, we have made our bed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 i heard about something big happening from "an aquaintance" yesterday afternoon. i can assure you this was no lucky find by our intelligence forces,they know a hell of a lot more than we will ever find out about.i would say they are on top of the situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted August 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Baldrick, I can't do tomorrow, got work, but if the flight gets cancelled on saturday, I might well be at a loose end. If we actually succeed, can I get a place int he newly formed government? I think that the root cause of this is purely the difference in culture between the west and the middle east, primarily because of the way that we relate to religion in our lives. The west is [generally] liberal (or believe that they are) compared to the middle east that is, for the most part, a regimented theocracy that does not acknowledge other religions. Can we truly hope to be at peace when the differences between our two cultures are so great? Realistically, how _can_ we co-exist with a culture that, at it's heart, does not wish us to exist? From a purely unrealistic point of view, one side has to go. Either we become part of their culture and obey their rules, or they become part of ours and obey our rules. However, I cannot see either side abandoning it's traditions and culture in any way. The fact that the US aggression, both direct and indirect, just goes to strengthen the Muslim's general cause is another point that needs to be considered. I am very much a "Live and let live" person, a pacifist that has no argument with anyone, but that will not stop people hating me (and potentially trying to kill me) for something that I had no hand in at any point in my life: That I am not Muslim. What am I to do? Wookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkBoy Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 i heard about something big happening from "an aquaintance" yesterday afternoon.i can assure you this was no lucky find by our intelligence forces,they know a hell of a lot more than we will ever find out about.i would say they are on top of the situation I'm inclined to agree with you Digger. There is nothing that we can do other put our trust in the intelligence services. I've rather more time for them than their political masters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 The fact that the US aggression, both direct and indirect, just goes to strengthen the Muslim's general cause is another point that needs to be considered. I am very much a "Live and let live" person, a pacifist that has no argument with anyone, but that will not stop people hating me (and potentially trying to kill me) for something that I had no hand in at any point in my life: That I am not Muslim. What am I to do? This has got nothing to do with Mulslim v Christian really. The Muslim faith teaches a different way of life to ours, but violence, murder and agression are not part of those teachings. Its the same here, christianity (or any of the other popular mainstream religions) is fine, fundamentalists are the problem on both sides of the coin. Anything is fine in moderation, when you take it too far and start interpreting techings to suit your own motivations, thats when the trouble starts. I have nothing against any faith, it is my choice that I am a practicing agnostic But thats up to me, I do have a problem with anyone who wants to persuade me to think they way they think, thats just creepy and wrong and not what religion is supposed to be about. The situation we find ourselves in is a mess. People lashing out at the muslim community branding them all terrorsists - I can't have that, think that way and thats job done for the terrorists - exactly what they want. One important thing needs to happen though, people who live here and are British subjects, need to start acting that way. On the way home I heard a report from one of the sites of the raids today:- [ of the people arrested, comments by a neighbour in the muslim community ] "yeah they used to play football with us in the park, nice lads. They started to distance themselves from us, and the last few years they won't even speak to us or wave to us from the car if we see them" Can anyone see a problem there? Given the situation we are in, why the **** didn't he say something to someone about that? It also goes to show you that extremism is nothing to do with the religion it supposedly came from. Until people in the muslim community help out and weed out these extremists nothing will change. Say I was a christian, if I decided I didn't like black people and started a hate campaign and then started blowing people up would I be labelled a "christan extremist"? No, "evil racist nutter" would be more like it - so why not this lot? The sooner people remove this thin veil of religion from the equation the quicker people will see them for what they are, murderous evil ******** hell bent on destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I suggest you look into what you have just said, muslim teachings are all about hatred. How they are expected to rage a holy war against anyone who doesn't believe in the muslim faith. I agree with the point entirely about a spineless government, but being an allie to the US is a good thing. They stood with us during WW11. The war in the middle east is just an excuse, Al quaeda bombed the World trade centre long before we went to Iraq. Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkBoy Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Quote PIN. "The sooner people remove this thin veil of religion from the equation the quicker people will see them for what they are, murderous evil ******** hell bent on destruction." Well said PIN....... A very very small percentage of a particular faith's following seeking to cause havoc and mayhem..... History just repeating itself..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiiish1987 Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I reckon there's not much threat left if the british gov were allowing this to go on this mornings news. With stuff like this the ****s cleared up long before any of the public can get a sniff of it. I'm just wondering how long the security will be this tight for. my brother's going to south africa in under 2 weeks and i reckon he'll get a full cavity search (judging by his previous luck in life) . My mother's getting worried though as were getting a cheapo flight to washington dc in october and all this is getting her up tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I suggest you look into what you have just said, muslim teachings are all about hatred. How they are expected to rage a holy war against anyone who doesn't believe in the muslim faith. I agree with the point entirely about a spineless government, but being an allie to the US is a good thing. They stood with us during WW11. The war in the middle east is just an excuse, Al quaeda bombed the World trade centre long before we went to Iraq. Have you read the koran? I have. Your comment about WWII - they only got involved in that because of perl harbour and everyone knows it. Nobody knows exactly who bombed the WTC, but check your facts mate. Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990, with the US commencing hostilities in about Jan 1991 I think it was. The WTC bombing happened on February 26, 1993. Nobody blamed Al-Qaeda for that at the time, its only recently that its been convenient to do so. I agree in principle with the sentiment behind your comments, and I know a lot of people feel the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 You bunch (some of you) lily livered excuses for wimps do you really think we’re in this situation simply because of Bush & Blair. I tell you this I’d rather live any day under our system and have our way of life even with people like B & B in charge than live under an ayatollah’s idea of how one should live. And if our system’s so bad why then does the world and his b***** wife, sisters, brothers et al wanna come live here or there (the USA). The west and its allies are NOT the aggressors here, you don’t see Brits and Americans strapping on suicide bombs or trying to impose a way of life on anybody. Israel hasn’t declared that it wants to wipe any Arab countries of the face of the globe. Muslims and many other faiths are free to live in the west but they should treat their chosen country with respect. The western powers are far from perfect and yes I do think that countries have a right to determine their own destinies but not at the expense of others. Democracy works, at least it works better than any other system and I support it. Sometimes, no every time, you have to stand up and fight for what’s right and if you’re threatened by an aggressor hit back HARD. Turning the other cheek is not going to help you survive. The meek will not inherit the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 You bunch (some of you) lily livered excuses for wimps do you really think we’re in this situation simply because of Bush & Blair. Lol, but if we are having it right, we are in this situation because of oil, that and corrupt governments relations with big business. No its not blairs fault, but hes part of the problem (along with all politicians). Answer this simple question :- If you were a normal civil person, why the **** would you want to be a politcian? Power corrupts, end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiiish1987 Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 You bunch (some of you) lily livered excuses for wimps do you really think we’re in this situation simply because of Bush & Blair. Lol, but if we are having it right, we are in this situation because of oil, that and corrupt governments relations with big business. No its not blairs fault, but hes part of the problem (along with all politicians). Answer this simple question :- If you were a normal civil person, why the **** would you want to be a politcian? Power corrupts, end of story. One word for why anyone wants to be a politcian: MONEY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Highlander for President Religion is the cause of all wars, not oil. Take it back as far as you like. The roman empire, the crusades, northern ireland. they all stem from one religion not liking another one. Highlanders popint about if you are threatened hit back HARD is the most sense I have read all day. These so called fanatics are only in it for one reason and that is to cause as much disruption to the civilised peoples way of life. The Americans were in WW11 long before pearl harbour, that just strengthened the attack on the japanese. Regards Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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