Sco77w Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I've just removed a couple of ticks from my dogs even though I always treat them with front line. Ugly little ******* aren't they.Sorry about the quality of the pic, I'm no photographer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 A few vets have told me front line is no good anymore Advantix is very good, kills and repels ticks and fleas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sco77w Posted June 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 A few vets have told me front line is no good anymore Advantix is very good, kills and repels ticks and fleas. Thanks for that, I'll see if I can get that instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Ticks are driving me crazy this year- is there more around for some reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 There has been no confirmed resistance to the active ingredient in the Frontline. You just need to be aware how long it works for and how it works. Frontline will protect the dog for 4 weeks against ticks, but because they move around much less than a flea it takes a lot longer to kill them, although the manufacturers assure me they die within 48 hours which is too soon for them to pass on disease. Owners don't like seeing them. If ticks are a problem then Frontline not really the first choice product, but it does work. I like the Scalibor collars as they cover the whole dog for 6 months, they are very cost effective. Incidentally how did you remove them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 There has been no confirmed resistance to the active ingredient in the Frontline. You just need to be aware how long it works for and how it works. Frontline will protect the dog for 4 weeks against ticks, but because they move around much less than a flea it takes a lot longer to kill them, although the manufacturers assure me they die within 48 hours which is too soon for them to pass on disease. Owners don't like seeing them. If ticks are a problem then Frontline not really the first choice product, but it does work. I like the Scalibor collars as they cover the whole dog for 6 months, they are very cost effective. Incidentally how did you remove them? one of the issues i have here is my koi ponds, are the koi safe if i simply remove the collar when dogs in the garden area in summer do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 I tend to agree with the comments the two independent vets made about front line, which were," it appears ticks and fleas are becoming immune." I agreed because my dog had a few fleas, and I also noticed a couple of ticks on her. I washed all of her bedding and I treated her with the recommend dose of front line, which worked initially, only to find the fleas were back within a few days. I also found another tick after a walk in the local woods. After being recommended advantix, I used it 4 weeks ago and she has not had a single flea or tick since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Frontline is still effective, but it does not prevent ticks getting onto the dog, and then it only kills them once they have bitten from my observations. So after a typical stalking outing my dog will have dozens of visible ticks on his coat, I will pick the ones I can see off and they are very much alive. The ones I cannot see have generally 'bit' the dog within the next 24 hrs, and then they soon fall off dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome of the Woods Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 With Advantix, do you just go to your vets for a script and buy online or get it from the vet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 With Advantix, do you just go to your vets for a script and buy online or get it from the vet? I got mine from the vets, but I think I will get the next lot online as its much cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I got mine from the vets, but I think I will get the next lot online as its much cheaper. The cost of the script would likely negate any savings. I promise you the Scalibor collars are great and very cost effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I promise you the Scalibor collars are great and very cost effective. I dont dis believe you mate, I may well give one a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Frontline is getting less and less effective against tics and fleas. havent you noticed they changed the label saying how long it stays working for, its a month less now. we had fleas on all the dogs. we sprayed the house, we frontlined the dogs. twice over 2 months and still couldnt get rid of the fleas. I phoned Bayer to try and get answers and they tried to tell me that i had to wait for the cycle to brake so no more eyes are laid. they even told me that i was putting it on the wrong part of the dogs neck. they even said that it could be the fleas had got use to it over the years. the dogs are all under 4yrs.lol i think said it all to me. I have 3 vials in the cupboard and they will stay there as i will not use the rubbish again. We tried advantic and within 48 house we have not had a problem since. a lot of the local vets have stopped stocking frontline and moving to other things, advantic being one of them. you only have to type 'frontline not working' into google and you get a lot of hits with people, vets included, saying the say thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Frontline is getting less and less effective against tics and fleas. havent you noticed they changed the label saying how long it stays working for, its a month less now. we had fleas on all the dogs. we sprayed the house, we frontlined the dogs. twice over 2 months and still couldnt get rid of the fleas. I phoned Bayer to try and get answers and they tried to tell me that i had to wait for the cycle to brake so no more eyes are laid. they even told me that i was putting it on the wrong part of the dogs neck. they even said that it could be the fleas had got use to it over the years. the dogs are all under 4yrs.lol i think said it all to me. I have 3 vials in the cupboard and they will stay there as i will not use the rubbish again. We tried advantic and within 48 house we have not had a problem since. a lot of the local vets have stopped stocking frontline and moving to other things, advantic being one of them. you only have to type 'frontline not working' into google and you get a lot of hits with people, vets included, saying the say thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sco77w Posted June 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 There has been no confirmed resistance to the active ingredient in the Frontline. You just need to be aware how long it works for and how it works. Frontline will protect the dog for 4 weeks against ticks, but because they move around much less than a flea it takes a lot longer to kill them, although the manufacturers assure me they die within 48 hours which is too soon for them to pass on disease. Owners don't like seeing them. If ticks are a problem then Frontline not really the first choice product, but it does work. I like the Scalibor collars as they cover the whole dog for 6 months, they are very cost effective. Incidentally how did you remove them? After looking on youtube for a suitable technique to remove them after trying to make them dizzy by running my finger in a circle on them and failing I reverted to good old brute force, got some pincers, took hold of the tick as close to the dog as possible and just pulled with a steady pressure until they came away. Is this where you all jump on me, tell me ive done it wrong and my dogs will die a slow and painfull death because of it? For every technique advised by someone there was sombody else saying you shouldn't do it like that and telling you another way is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 The safest way to remove ticks is using an O'Tom tick remover hook. Very cheap and effective. http://bada-uk.org/products/tickremover.php Frontline is getting less and less effective against tics and fleas. havent you noticed they changed the label saying how long it stays working for, its a month less now. we had fleas on all the dogs. we sprayed the house, we frontlined the dogs. twice over 2 months and still couldnt get rid of the fleas. I phoned Bayer to try and get answers and they tried to tell me that i had to wait for the cycle to brake so no more eyes are laid. they even told me that i was putting it on the wrong part of the dogs neck. they even said that it could be the fleas had got use to it over the years. the dogs are all under 4yrs.lol i think said it all to me. I have 3 vials in the cupboard and they will stay there as i will not use the rubbish again. We tried advantic and within 48 house we have not had a problem since. a lot of the local vets have stopped stocking frontline and moving to other things, advantic being one of them. you only have to type 'frontline not working' into google and you get a lot of hits with people, vets included, saying the say thing. You rang Bayer for advice on a product made by Merial! Interesting tactic. I am not saying that if your main concern is ticks the Frontline would be your first choice product. What I am saying is that it is not fair knocking a very effective, very safe product when there is no evidence of resistance developing in either fleas or ticks. Worth noting that the active ingredient in Frontline causes excitement before it kills and it is often these dying fleas that you see. Many other products kill by paralysis (eg Advantix) so you don't see the active fleas even though they are there! You'd be AMAZED how often people apply these products to the hair and not the skin. They buy a size for a cocker spaniel and then put it on a Lab and wonder why it hasn't worked. Use product many years out of date. Put dog products on cats. Few people treat a house properly (you must vacuum very thoroughly first and then treat the whole house paying particular attention to places your pet spends time. The fleas hide in gaps between skirting and floorboards etc and you have to be so through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Sorry but i had it wrong, i spoke to Bayer about wormers. my bad on that one. But! Fact, frontline did not work to treat fleas on my working cockers, nor did it work on a dozen more people that i know well. Near all the vets around here will recommend frontline as an affective form of flea control. as for not spraying the house properley. i think you better talk to the company that came in and dealt with them. the company is the largest in gloucestershire and the owner is a close friend. not only the house but the cars and all the kennels were treated. we could not get rid of the fleas with frontline. the vet put the second doses on so best take that up with him. you say it is not fair on knocking them. OMG isnt it just fair. they know its not working like it use to. its one of the reasons they dropped the effective time down by a month. i spoke to them on the phone and they fobbed me off saying similar to what you have said. I will not use frontline again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Sorry but i had it wrong, i spoke to Bayer about wormers. my bad on that one. But! Fact, frontline did not work to treat fleas on my working cockers, nor did it work on a dozen more people that i know well. Near all the vets around here will recommend frontline as an affective form of flea control. as for not spraying the house properley. i think you better talk to the company that came in and dealt with them. the company is the largest in gloucestershire and the owner is a close friend. not only the house but the cars and all the kennels were treated. we could not get rid of the fleas with frontline. the vet put the second doses on so best take that up with him. you say it is not fair on knocking them. OMG isnt it just fair. they know its not working like it use to. its one of the reasons they dropped the effective time down by a month. i spoke to them on the phone and they fobbed me off saying similar to what you have said. I will not use frontline again. By speaking to them they'll have to log it and declare it and this is taken into account when they ask for the product to be re-licensed. Apache can probably comment on this better than me but as I understand it, this recording system can potentially lead to labelling changes or classification changes (prescription v freely available etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 *sigh* As you like! Jon - you are 100% correct. All product failures are logged by the manufacturer and that data is shared with the Veterinary Medicines Directorate. To the best of my knowledge it is reviewed regularly and not just upon re-licensing. Most of the reports come from vets, but anyone can lodge them. Not just product failures, but adverse reactions etc. A sudden increase in fipronil resistance would be a major issue as there is very little else that can be used in such young animals as it is so safe. To make sure I have just checked a few databases of published work and I can find no decent published work out there to show any significant resistance in cat fleas or UK ticks. That holds more weight than armchair warriors. Incidentally there is anecdotal evidence that Imidacloprid (active in Advantix, Advantage etc) may be partly responsible for the rapid decline in bees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imidacloprid_effects_on_bees (many vets are moving away from Fipronil based products as it doesn't treat for lungworm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Whether theres published work relating to any resistance or not, I, like many others, including vets, are noticing the treatments ineffectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Apache, could this drop in effectiveness people are seeing be the difference between the vet frontline and the over the counter stuff? I use frontline and have never had fleas or ticks. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 thats quite possible DH as I've had the same with frontline though swapped to advantage as mine plays with foxes from time to time. Never had a flea or tick issue but then it is regularly applied, there is truth in once you get an infestation in the house simply then treating with spot on will only work over time as you do have to break the life cycle. Very few will stop all ticks attaching and if they do you have to question just what you are putting on your dog, I get a couple a year and a tick o tom just removes them rather than wait for them to feed and die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remy 700 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) Great advice , I am interested in the collars as other gear seems less efective , and sheep dip is a bit strong! cheers,, edit.. are the scalibor collars safe around kids? Edited June 13, 2012 by remy 700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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