phaedra1106 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) Having a spare Escort Semi-Auto it would be a lot cheaper to transfer it from my SGC onto my FAC (I have a slot for Sec.1 Shotgun) and buy an extended mag for it rather than buy another gun. Question is, can I do this myself by notifying the police the same way you would for a "normal" transfer to/from another shooter?. Edited June 14, 2012 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) I think you'll have to ask a RFD do do it for you, I doubt they'd accept you doing it. You could ring your firearms department and see what they say, as I can't see an actual reason why you couldn't do it. Edited June 14, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I was talking about this with one of the lads from the Mayfair as they're also thinking about this option. The sticking point seemed to be who would fill in your SGC/FAC Our conclusion was the same as Bedwards, you'll need to get an RFD to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 you have to get a RFD to do it as i am looking to do the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Thanks I'll have a word with Dave at Bow Tec once I decide if I'm moding the Escort or forking out for a new MP-A with sights and rails etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I believe the FEO can do it but how the process works I am not sure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 An RFD needs to do it really, it's a paper exercise in theory A word of caution though, once done it cannot be undone. We do it foc Rowland Watson Gunmakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 An RFD needs to do it really, it's a paper exercise in theory A word of caution though, once done it cannot be undone. We do it foc Rowland Watson Gunmakers Erm surely it can................ but would involve a trip to proof house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 An RFD needs to do it really, it's a paper exercise in theory A word of caution though, once done it cannot be undone. We do it foc Rowland Watson Gunmakers Erm surely it can................ but would involve a trip to proof house? Yes it can be done, it does need a proof house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Not according to derbys firearms manager, once section 1 it will remain section 1 wether it goes to proof or not, We have had several that I have tried to put back on sgc but I was flatly refused, I can't speak for other forces if you think about it , generally sect 1 shotguns are cheaper than 3 shot ones, dealers would buy them put them back on sgc and sell them for a profit as would I, Derbyshire will not do it. Perhaps you know something I don't? Knowledge is king ad they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I think you'll have to ask a RFD do do it for you, I doubt they'd accept you doing it. You could ring your firearms department and see what they say, as I can't see an actual reason why you couldn't do it. I don't either. I can't see why it isn't as smiple as just buying the mag tube, fitting it and then entering it on your FAC as as 'transfer' from your SGC. As long as long as you notify the 'disposal' when it leaves your SGC and then the 'acquisition' on your FAC I see no problems. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Not according to derbys firearms manager, once section 1 it will remain section 1 wether it goes to proof or not, We have had several that I have tried to put back on sgc but I was flatly refused, I can't speak for other forces if you think about it , generally sect 1 shotguns are cheaper than 3 shot ones, dealers would buy them put them back on sgc and sell them for a profit as would I, Derbyshire will not do it. Perhaps you know something I don't? Knowledge is king ad they say The prohibition on 'down conversion' only applies to conversions from Section.5. The only way something can be reduced from sec.5 is if it is scrapped or deactivated. There is no problem in converting a sec.1 shotgun to sec.2 but it needs to be certified as such by the proof house. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 The prohibition on 'down conversion' only applies to conversions from Section.5. The only way something can be reduced from sec.5 is if it is scrapped or deactivated. There is no problem in converting a sec.1 shotgun to sec.2 but it needs to be certified as such by the proof house. J. That's interesting, it could be that derbs interpret the firearms act in a different way as do most forces, I know they shouldn't but they do, if your respective licencing manager will do it then you are lucky because mine won't, but yes you are right there is no reason why it can't be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 That's interesting, it could be that derbs interpret the firearms act in a different way as do most forces, I know they shouldn't but they do, if your respective licencing manager will do it then you are lucky because mine won't, but yes you are right there is no reason why it can't be done They don't have to agree though. If a shotgun comes on to your books as a sec.2 and leaves as a sec.1 then what can they do about it? You don't have to ask their permission first so what are they going to do next? The only thing they can do is prosecute you and they won't do that because it's not illegal for you to do it. Firearms records are nationalised now. What happens if you send a shotgun out of the area to be converted? It leaves you as a sec.2 and returns as sec.1 - will they confiscate it? Will they try and prosecute the person who did the work? On the wider point - this is one of the many, many reasons why we need a national licensing agency. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I think in the end it's probably easier just to sell it and put the money towards a new sec.1. So, there'll be a "not new but not really used" Escort with fast load going up for sale tomorrow when I can get some decent pics. Shame really, I only bought it as a spare in case my original one died but 5 years and almost 7000 cartridges later it's still faultless, new one has had less than 100 carts through it and has sat in the gun safe for the last 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I think in the end it's probably easier just to sell it and put the money towards a new sec.1. So, there'll be a "not new but not really used" Escort with fast load going up for sale tomorrow when I can get some decent pics. Shame really, I only bought it as a spare in case my original one died but 5 years and almost 7000 cartridges later it's still faultless, new one has had less than 100 carts through it and has sat in the gun safe for the last 3 years. If it comes into us as sec2 and then goes out as sec1 that's no problem , trying to reverse it is a different matter at least with Derbyshire firearms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 If it comes into us as sec2 and then goes out as sec1 that's no problem , trying to reverse it is a different matter at least with Derbyshire firearms So if it comes to you as sect 1 and you send it proof house and they send it back as sect 2 with the paperwork it's section 2 no argument! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I think in the end it's probably easier just to sell it and put the money towards a new sec.1. So, there'll be a "not new but not really used" Escort with fast load going up for sale tomorrow when I can get some decent pics. Shame really, I only bought it as a spare in case my original one died but 5 years and almost 7000 cartridges later it's still faultless, new one has had less than 100 carts through it and has sat in the gun safe for the last 3 years. I think it's easier to convert it - don't get confused with going from section 1 back to section 2, it's very simple to do what you want - we're just derailing this thread. As said, even if you can't do it, a RFD can and will, that is certainly acceptable and common. It seems less hassle than selling and buying, just ask them to do it, notify the police and buy a new magazine tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) So option 1, get it signed over by an RFD and spend £50 to £100 for a mag plus some sort of sights or oprtion 2, sell it and pay £200ish for a new gun with sights and a 3yr warranty!. Time for bed and have a sleep on it I think Edited June 14, 2012 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I think it's easier to convert it - don't get confused with going from section 1 back to section 2, it's very simple to do what you want - we're just derailing this thread. As said, even if you can't do it, a RFD can and will, that is certainly acceptable and common. It seems less hassle than selling and buying, just ask them to do it, notify the police and buy a new magazine tube. This USED to be the case, but the proof house will no longer "proof" a shotgun that has been restricted to meet the requirements of the act - they did it initially to cover the crimped tubes etc and the change in the law, but will no longer do so. This is as a result of home office regulation. You can debate it all you like - but I have sat with the proof master trying to get this resolved - once a Section 1 - always a Section 1. (Now!) Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 This USED to be the case, but the proof house will no longer "proof" a shotgun that has been restricted to meet the requirements of the act - they did it initially to cover the crimped tubes etc and the change in the law, but will no longer do so. This is as a result of home office regulation. You can debate it all you like - but I have sat with the proof master trying to get this resolved - once a Section 1 - always a Section 1. (Now!) Mike So the home office trust the manufacturer to ship guns complying with the rules for sect 2 to the uk? and when they go for proof as a brand new gun the proof house don't set them as sect2 or sect1? I recall there was issue over 3.5" chamber guns having magazines that would hold more than 2 shorter carts and the answer was eventually its 2 of the proofed chamber length carts. Before the 2 shot magazine restriction came in, was there a 5 shot restriction or could you have as many as you wanted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 This USED to be the case, but the proof house will no longer "proof" a shotgun that has been restricted to meet the requirements of the act - they did it initially to cover the crimped tubes etc and the change in the law, but will no longer do so. This is as a result of home office regulation. You can debate it all you like - but I have sat with the proof master trying to get this resolved - once a Section 1 - always a Section 1. (Now!) Mike Can you enlighten me as to when this change took place? Because I frequently see on Guntrader guns (sold by RFD's) which state that they have just got back from the proof house after being restricted to go on a SGC. I've also seen guns advertised which are section 1, where the RFD offers to convert it and get it proofed for section 2 if you pay extra. As RFD's are still offering to alter guns I fail to see how it can't be done. The work is done, it goes to the proof house, they look at it and confirm that it can't take more than 2 in the magazine, and send it back. Why would they not do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Oh to be an "internet expert" must be a great thing - pick up the phone and ring the proof house - or your FEO. Don't rely on google or the internet. You have an RFD on the thread saying they can't do it~!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Before the 2 shot magazine restriction came in, was there a 5 shot restriction or could you have as many as you wanted? There was no restriction until Douglas T-U-R-D got involved after Hungerford Edited June 15, 2012 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmep Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 section 1 to section 2 can be done , i've had it done last year no problems at all, i phoned 3 gunsmiths in east sussex and all could arrange it and in the end had the supplying dealer do it. also all the remington 1100 competitions come in unrestricted and are crimped/reprofed for sale as section 2 over here. this is fact, speak to edgar brothers, mine even came with proof house magazine restriction certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.