fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 After considerable thought, I think I've decided :look: to get the bits and pieces and have a go at re-loading. I understand I'll probably not save any money but, as others on here have said, I think I'd get a lot of enjoyment out of making and using my own loads. Soo, can anyone point me in the direction of some reliable online data? I'm getting a lee load-all and will start by using empties from what I currently have, these are eley HB pigeon 67mm (12bore) and did have size 6 1/2 shot in them, 32gm. What I'd like to do, keeping the cost down as much as possible, is use either no.5 or no.6 shot in them and make them as fast as I can - I find I shoot better with very fast cartridges. What would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 lee load all will only load 70mm cases without modifying it and you can not tell the difference between 1250 and 1400 fps, you have been brainwashed by the box I have tested over 15 different factory loads with a calibrated chrono and not one has done 1400 fps Use 70 mm case 24 mm wad 28 grams of shot and some where around 20.5 grains of Vectan AS it ill kill any thing up to 45 yards in the right hands The best cases to use are premium clay cartridge cases not cheap pigeon cases try hull pro one, sovereign, Just cartridges CSP range(the purple ones) load extremely well Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 You beat me to it Dean. Have just knocked 100+ out on the Ponsness , lyvale 70mm and all came out as good as new, 21 grains of AS, 24 B@P WAD and 28 grams of home made 6s, sweet shooting in the Remy semi auto. john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgun Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Deershooter you tested 1400 fps factory loads and anyone reached that value but what did you read from your chrono? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgun Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 If you need really fast thing, suggest you Nobelsport A0 powder instead of other NS powders. You can get fastest cartridges with magnum powders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 initial results aren't very encouraging Stock was a bit limited at the toy (sorry, gun) shop. I've ended up with; Remington premier STS primers Green dot powder Rp12 wads no.6 shot So, we consulted the manual and came up with a load, 34gm 21.0gn and...... the crimps are terrible, using eley 67mm cart's (hb pigeon) so, just as an experiment, I took a full cartridge apart and put it back together - I didn't use the machine to put the powder or shot in but used the powder, the wad and the shot that were in the cartridge to start with and the crimp's just as bad! Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Are you using the correct REAR CRIMP STARTER for 6 point crimps? Also, always make sure you have an INWARD facing crimp-fold facing you on this station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) yes, using the rear of the two. Personally, I think the cases are too short for what's inside them but, being new to all this - it could be too long for all I know That doesn't explain the re-worked one being just as bad though Edited June 16, 2012 by fieldwanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 yes, using the rear of the two. Personally, I think the cases are too short for what's inside them but, being new to all this - it could be too long for all I know That doesn't explain the re-worked one being just as bad though Post some pics....we'll tell you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) Will await the pictures but I, along with FC, will probably end up suggesting you take a hacksaw to the final crimping station to enable a better crimp on shorter cases... FM EDIT: read it again. Ignore what I said, lets see some pictures. Edited June 16, 2012 by Ferret Master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 The green one's 65mm, just out of curiosity.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Oh dear :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Oh dear :blink: Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 I'm not familiar with a load all but if the crimps are folding in it would suggest the case isn't full enough. It also looks as if the crimp head needs to come down more to form the crimp properly. My tip is to not bother with odd sized cases. Go to a clay club and go thru the bins on the DTL stand and sort out a good number of decent quality 70mm cases, find one type ansd stick with it until you've got it sorted because different shells will load up differently and confuse the issue. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) Would they really use 70mm at clays? seems a bit much considering it's 24-28gm loads (I believe) - like I said though, I'm very much starting out with all this (and I'm certainly no clay shooter so wouldn't know about that either really ) Edited June 16, 2012 by fieldwanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Would they really use 70mm at clays? seems a bit much considering it's 24-28gm loads (I believe) - like I said though, I'm very much starting out with all this (and I'm certainly no clay shooter so wouldn't know about that either really ) 70mm is the default 12gauge size and this is why it's best to stick with them, using all the same type should get you consistency so when one works the rest should, theoretically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 I rest my case, the hulls are too short just as I said, post pic of wads with a ruler next to them Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Sooo, I've bought a machine that (in the real world) will only reload 70mm hulls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Sooo, I've bought a machine that (in the real world) will only reload 70mm hulls? No. You need to saw off 5mm!, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 From what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 From what? The bottom of the crimp station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 The top then it will fit in the bin better ........................sorry could not resist old golf joke.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 The green one's 65mm, just out of curiosity.... They don't look re-sized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 By that, do you mean the last or second to last? What effect does doing that have? Thanks for the help so far Sorry, not quick enough. The re-sizing's a separate problem that I'll discuss once I've got this one sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Wad's 38mm in total and will take 1 1/4 oz if it helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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