Jelen Deer Another 100% Pass 2012

[Crouch valley]

Hi everyone,

 

Very proud to announce that all candidates on our June course in Essex achieved yet another 100% pass rate. Many thanks to you all for choosing Jelen to deliver your DSCL1 training. It was certainly a pleasure to meet all you guys, and well done to you all for your hard work - and not least for helping maintain our unblemished record of 100% pass rates in 2012.

 

Also a huge thank you once again to our Jelen Instructor team, Malcolm Brown, and Norman Bartlett for all your hard work and commitment to the company.

 

Best regards to you all,

[EMcC]

I have never heard of anybody failing it yet

[pboro shot]

im currently studying to do my dsc and i cant see how anyone can fake a pass the batches of questions need a fairly high percentage of right awnsers to pass same with the shooting/field test ,fair play to jelen there training package offered before the course is clearly good ,im sure ill change the 100% pass rate i just cant remember half of it :yp:

[Dekers]

im currently studying to do my dsc and i cant see how anyone can fake a pass the batches of questions need a fairly high percentage of right awnsers to pass same with the shooting/field test ,fair play to jelen there training package offered before the course is clearly good ,im sure ill change the 100% pass rate i just cant remember half of it :yp:

 

 

Their training package prior to the course will be on the lines of, if not identical to everyone else who runs the course.

 

And you don't have to remember it all, different companies/instructors have different ways about them but during the course.....

 

Oh, "this is important", "you will need to remember this", "this has been covered a lot in previous exams", "pay particular attention to this" etc etc etc ........."Shame about that shot, I can see the wind got up, have another try", "I know you can do better than that", "you obviously weren't comfortable, try again".... etc, etc, but frankly the shooting test is a joke, anyone who can't do those shots has no right to own a rifle anyway!

 

100% ongoing pass rate, just how do you think that happens?!

 

It is the way of life, and I am not singling out Jelen specifically here, they are all at it!

 

ATB!

Edited July 15, 2012 by Dekers

[Crouch valley]

Thank you Dekers for putting this post to the top again all views are good advertising many thanks. I appreciate your comments from obviously some one who has DSC level 1 and two and advanced stalker certificates.

[Mungler]

Well funny.

 

I did my DSC through BASC because at the time they were the only local provider. I did buy the Jelen DSC Q&A learning aid CD off eBay and found it to be very useful indeed.

 

Indeed, I put the graft in to pass a course I had coughed for, taken time off work to attend and spent money on the extra learning aids to pass. With all that, yes I like everyone else on my course who likewise gave it their best passed.

 

Dekers post was just unnecessary and rather demeaning of those that passed under Jelen or indeed any other provider.

[pboro shot]

Their training package prior to the course will be on the lines of, if not identical to everyone else who runs the course.

 

And you don't have to remember it all, different companies/instructors have different ways about them but during the course.....

 

Oh, "this is important", "you will need to remember this", "this has been covered a lot in previous exams", "pay particular attention to this" etc etc etc ........."Shame about that shot, I can see the wind got up, have another try", "I know you can do better than that", "you obviously weren't comfortable, try again".... etc, etc, but frankly the shooting test is a joke, anyone who can't do those shots has no right to own a rifle anyway!

 

100% ongoing pass rate, just how do you think that happens?!

 

It is the way of life, and I am not singling out Jelen specifically here, they are all at it!

 

ATB!

take it your not a dsc fan then but the way i see it in the near future training like this will be compulsory and like it or not we will all need to do it,ive never spoke to anyone who has done the course and not learnt somthing so i think its money well spent

[tabs]

Ask yourself honestly Deker, how many deer are consumed without even basic knowledge of inspection? DSC1, however basic is no bad thing.

 

Well? Not relevant?

 

Tabs

Edited July 16, 2012 by tabs

[Dekers]

take it your not a dsc fan then but the way i see it in the near future training like this will be compulsory and like it or not we will all need to do it,ive never spoke to anyone who has done the course and not learnt somthing so i think its money well spent

 

 

Unfortunately that is very likely. And I don't doubt there is something on the course most people do learn.

 

..... but as others have already said, you will get help if you are struggling and a very strange set of circumstances will have to come together for someone to actually fail.

 

So, just how meaningful is it and what "respect" does it actually have? You don't even need a FAC to take this, and no course of a few days can ever give you experience! And yes, the FC insist on the DSC, it's called **** covering!

 

ATB!

[Kes]

All a bit unnecessary chaps, whoever passes deserves their moment of triumph and a feeling of achievement. That said, I, for one wish we were all able to learn from each other, as was the case previously. Certification is a hurdle for many and probably as unnecessary as a lot of other qualifications, if you have done the job and have the relevant 'field learnt' experience.

There will be a Wildfowling certificate next and maybe a foxing one, a rifle test for shooting anything perhaps?

Not to detract in any way for those who have achieved this certificate but a genuine concern we are being led into the wrong mind set - I dont suppose there's an equivalent in the US?

[tabs]

How many cases of food poisoning can you recall from any Game Dealer or anyone who has eaten a rabbit, pheasant whatever they have shot.... EVER? The uninformed, untrained, uncertified have been eating off the land for many hundreds of years.

 

None personally, but then i give a **** what I eat and pass on to others. I wont comment on a public forum the **** (large and small game) I have seen passed on. I am not looking for a fight, just pointing out how even basic training, in my albeit vastly less decorated experience, would benefit all consumers of wild game.

 

 

You have a lot to learn about the real world Tabs

 

Maybe. But it is mentioned a lot.

 

Tabs

[Dekers]

How many cases of food poisoning can you recall from any Game Dealer or anyone who has eaten a rabbit, pheasant whatever they have shot.... EVER? The uninformed, untrained, uncertified have been eating off the land for many hundreds of years.

 

None personally, but then i give a **** what I eat and pass on to others. I wont comment on a public forum the **** (large and small game) I have seen passed on. I am not looking for a fight, just pointing out how even basic training, in my albeit vastly less decorated experience, would benefit all consumers of wild game.

 

 

You have a lot to learn about the real world Tabs

 

Maybe. But it is mentioned a lot.

 

Tabs

 

 

 

The fact is there are many who have learnt from others how to do the job over the years, and there are those who don't have a clue, do you really expect those that don't have a clue will rush off to do a DSC? There are large and small Game food prep training courses available without have to do a DSC, indeed, meat prep/hygiene for inclusion in the food chain in the DSC is a relatively new addition, around 2007/2008.

Edited July 15, 2012 by Dekers

[tabs]

The fact is there are many who have learnt from others how to do the job over the years, and there are those who don't have a clue, do you really expect those that don't have a clue will rush off to do a DSC?

 

No I dont, that was the purpose of my post. Your initial post appeared negative toward the need for training/ education. The DSC to my mind is the most accessable to the "hobby" stalker.

 

I, like yourself, am not a fan of a nanny state, and have resisted DSC until I had to provide. But, as you have stated- The fact is there are many who have learnt from others how to do the job over the years, and there are those who don't have a clue. Those that are not aware, and are not fortunate to have the benefit of an experienced mentor, potentially put themselves, consumers and livestock at risk. How can that ever be a good thing. For that reason I feel that DSC, or any other game prep course can only be beneficial. My view is if you are going to stalk deer, a DSC is a small price to pay.

 

Feel free to join in anyone.

 

Tabs

[al4x]

The fact is there are many who have learnt from others how to do the job over the years, and there are those who don't have a clue, do you really expect those that don't have a clue will rush off to do a DSC? There are large and small Game food prep training courses available without have to do a DSC, indeed, meat prep/hygiene for inclusion in the food chain in the DSC is a relatively new addition, around 2007/2008.

 

 

out of interest Dekers can you do a full carcass inspection or do you just handle every one like they are healthy?

I know learning from others can be done but so can passing on bad habits and general lack of knowledge, after all its a bit like gutting a rabbit just larger so why bother checking lymph nodes etc

From the chip you've got it sounds like you don't have any qualifications but are being pushed into that direction, possibly its self doubt that you would pass an exam at your age as that seems an issue for many who do DSC

The simple fact is in todays society shooting some ground is going to require it and North of the border its been spelt out that if people don't do it voluntarily then it will be compulsory.

[Dunkield]

I have never heard of anybody failing it yet

 

 

I don't know anyone who failed the DSC

I do.

He failed the shooting test.

Interesting part was he has been stalking over 40 years, and probably thought like a few others "why do I need to do this"

Just because you have been "doing this all my life dear boy" doesn't mean you have been doing it right

 

 

EDIT: Well done to all of those who passed

[SneakyD]

I do.

He failed the shooting test.

Interesting part was he has been stalking over 40 years, and probably thought like a few others "why do I need to do this"

Just because you have been "doing this all my life dear boy" doesn't mean you have been doing it right

 

 

EDIT: Well done to all of those who passed

Did he have instruction or just assessment?

[EMcC]

I do.He failed the shooting test. Just because you have been "doing this all my life dear boy" doesn't mean you have been doing it right

 

I am pretty sure if someone has been doing it for several years and not doing it correctly he would have been picked up on it by now particularly in recent years with the introduction of health and Hygiene inspections.

As for failing as a result of the shooting test, I can understand that as nerves, crowds and time, might be a factor as most stalkers under field conditions do not experience.

So am I correct in thinking then, that it is the shooting test that lets candidates down ?

[al4x]

the safety walk has an instant fail aspect as well, the shooting test can be re done later though.

[Dunkield]

Did he have instruction or just assessment?

We met him at a BDS range day, turns out he is a friend of one of my friends.

He failed the shooting test, so was asked to attend this day and re-take it before being signed off.

I should add his is an excellent shot, no one knows how he missed the first time round, but his 'mates' are glad he did

[Dekers]

out of interest Dekers can you do a full carcass inspection or do you just handle every one like they are healthy?

I know learning from others can be done but so can passing on bad habits and general lack of knowledge, after all its a bit like gutting a rabbit just larger so why bother checking lymph nodes etc

From the chip you've got it sounds like you don't have any qualifications but are being pushed into that direction, possibly its self doubt that you would pass an exam at your age as that seems an issue for many who do DSC

The simple fact is in todays society shooting some ground is going to require it and North of the border its been spelt out that if people don't do it voluntarily then it will be compulsory.

 

 

We are wondering off the theme again, but YES, I have been trained and I have appropriate bits of paper, that theoretically makes me an expert, do I perform a full inspection every time NO, do I actually remember the 100% correct method of doing one as per the book, NO.

 

A DSC is a route round officialdom and a money making exercises, passed off, and being extolled as a professional route to deer stalking and a decent FAC tool. Just what was the problem prior to the DSC, was food poising rife through incorrect prep, were stalkers being shot through negligence?

 

Yes, I'm ticked off with the need for me to have these bits of paper, why have I had to fork out a load of money to get a piece of paper that says I am competent to do what I have been training other people to do for years? Yes, I'm ticked off that this will be/is mandatory in certain areas, and I'm really ticked off that someone like Jelen comes on shouting about a 100% pass rate which simply confirms to me this is a scam of the worst order!

 

And look at the wider picture, just where does this stop!

 

[Crouch valley]

Dekers you have still failed to answer my question have you got your DSC1 and Two?

I have had a chap recently re sit part of his DSC with us who had failed else where. If it is so easy why do not see other DSC providers saying they have 100% pass rates. I am very proud off our 100% pass rate and im

 

sure at some point someone will fail but until then I will post that fact. As for just being happy to take there money as you have mentioned why is it we offer FREE range time to any beginner that may be worried or struggling with the shooting test. Why is it we say to all our course attendants that after the course should they need any further help we are always on the end of the phone for any of them Free of charge.

 

Maybe the reason you have never heard of any one failing is because who would go on here or any other forum and say by the way chaps ive just failed my DSC. What a mentor you must be you say in your own words that you do not do a full carcase inspection every time how very professional its because of people like you they are making DSC mandatory.

 

I will leave it at that as you must be a very busy man with over 6000 posts and all this mentoring thank you for taking time out to highlight our company. If you find that I am wrong and you can prove that all DSC providers have a 100% pass rate I will make a formal apology for my first post we are by no means perfect as we had a overall pass rate of 98% for 2011.

[Dunkield]

Dan you should sign Dekers up, he sounds like a man who is afraid he might fail it to me :lol:

[Crouch valley]

Dan you should sign Dekers up, he sounds like a man who is afraid he might fail it to me :lol:

 

Im not even going to go there as on one of our courses you have to be prepared to learn and put some effort in and he has said he is qualified. I must remeber to put in our education package you dont have to check all carcases

[al4x]

That bit must be a quality thing to teach newcomers and a prime example of why training the older generation may be a good thing.

I'm reckoning he may be as easy to deal with as the anorexically challenged bloke you had the pleasure of on our course.

 

Dekers when you knock off the fee basc charge and Dmq etc the course is hardly a get rich quick scheme. Ours was run by people who were into deer stalking and with a common interest and a course you've paid for why wouldn't you put enough effort into it to pass.

[Dekers]

Dan you should sign Dekers up, he sounds like a man who is afraid he might fail it to me :lol:

 

Its difficult to fail a Test/course/exam that you have already passed, or is there now a need for a refresher DSC etc etc, I guess someone should start that, then everyone would have to resit it every few years! ?

 

Im not even going to go there as on one of our courses you have to be prepared to learn and put some effort in and he has said he is qualified. I must remeber to put in our education package you dont have to check all carcases

 

Just exactly where did I say that? Do you seriously think everyone who passes a DSC remembers, and religiously follows all the rules, unlike some here I live and work in the real world.

 

Dunkfield is standing up for a Trade Member, Jelen Dan is trying to deflect the issue, perhaps you should all read my comments again..... the DSC is a bit of paper that few do because they have an overwhelming desire to do it, for many it is a means to an end, and the pass rate is unbelievably high.

 

That is not, and never has been a criticism of those that take it, sure they want to pass, they need it for work, the police, FAC conditions, whatever, and, as has already been conceded by many here, they will get as much help as possible to ensure they do pass. Many will learn something from a DSC, but I suspect they could have learnt that and a whole lot more, from a search round the web compared with the course time, £300(ish) fee, travel, accommodation etc!

 

I'd say the subject has been covered, Jelen has their advertising, those that chose to hear another view have, those with blinkers never will, and unlike some others I have not resorted to personal abuse.

 

Have a nice day!

Edited July 18, 2012 by Dekers