utectok Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Hi guys Anyone know how to stop my wee cocker from getting really sore weepy eyes after a day retrieving birds that have fallen in the standing corn. I think they get knocked about on the stalks or something? Today she couldn't come shooting as she was about blind from yesterday but recovering well salt water washes etc (cold tea I heard too?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 easy.... dont put your dog in it! wouldnt dream of taking my ESS when shooting over standing barley, heard some horrible stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Ok just wondering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 horrible stories were?? ;/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) Hi guys Anyone know how to stop my wee cocker from getting really sore weepy eyes after a day retrieving birds that have fallen in the standing corn. I think they get knocked about on the stalks or something? Today she couldn't come shooting as she was about blind from yesterday but recovering well salt water washes etc (cold tea I heard too?) I would not think salt water washes of the eyes is very much fun for the dog and cold tea I would say see your vet . On a serious note , corn you may get away with but I have seen where a few on this forum are using there dogs in Barley , please dont it is a sure way to blind them , Barley ears are like little razors , I would not dream of using my dog in Barley or on rape stubble. Edited July 23, 2012 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Hi guys Anyone know how to stop my wee cocker from getting really sore weepy eyes after a day retrieving birds that have fallen in the standing corn. I think they get knocked about on the stalks or something? Today she couldn't come shooting as she was about blind from yesterday but recovering well salt water washes etc (cold tea I heard too?) sorry fella but you would not get on your knees and go in standing barley so dont send your dog in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Thanks that's most helpful she is pretty well now back to herself anyway. My trainer told me cold tea works for mild infections. I'm interested in the wheat barley differences. How does one tell them apart? Something to do with ears I seem to remember? Thanks for the advice Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Thanks that's most helpful she is pretty well now back to herself anyway. My trainer told me cold tea works for mild infections. I'm interested in the wheat barley differences. How does one tell them apart? Something to do with ears I seem to remember? Thanks for the advice Will If you look at barley it has long thin spikes around the seeeds and they can stick in like needles,they also break into small pieces when ripe making matters for your dog,wheat just has the grain with no spikes.I have no problems sending the dog in wheat.If you google them you should see the differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) Thanks I got this "While looking out onto a field of not fully ripe wheat or barley you couldn't really tell the difference. They will both seem whitish green. Usually in the growth or vegetative stage (before the crop begins heading out) they will appear quite similar to one another. But as the heads appear, the differences also appear. Wheat: will take on a brown or golden hue as it reaches maturity the wheat will have a shorter beard (the "hairs" that appear from the seed head) the head itself is coarser and often erect. Sometimes though, the seed head will be so heavy that it will bend at the base, but not curve down like barley. Barley: takes on a yellow-white hue as it reaches maturity has a longer beard the head often bends downwards with the weight of the seeds on it as the seeds fill out and reach maturity; sometimes may bend at the neck as well " Also Aparently u can husk a wheat seed but not barley. I'm thinking although I shoot this field every year and never had a problem the farmer must have switched crops? Never shot barley before Quite alarming. Presumably no good as stubble to? Dogs perfect now btw. Will Edited July 23, 2012 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Thanks I got this "While looking out onto a field of not fully ripe wheat or barley you couldn't really tell the difference. They will both seem whitish green. Usually in the growth or vegetative stage (before the crop begins heading out) they will appear quite similar to one another. But as the heads appear, the differences also appear. Wheat: will take on a brown or golden hue as it reaches maturity the wheat will have a shorter beard (the "hairs" that appear from the seed head) the head itself is coarser and often erect. Sometimes though, the seed head will be so heavy that it will bend at the base, but not curve down like barley. Barley: takes on a yellow-white hue as it reaches maturity has a longer beard the head often bends downwards with the weight of the seeds on it as the seeds fill out and reach maturity; sometimes may bend at the neck as well " Also Aparently u can husk a wheat seed but not barley. I'm thinking although I shoot this field every year and never had a problem the farmer must have switched crops? Never shot barley before Quite alarming. Presumably no good as stubble to? Dogs perfect now btw. Will shooting over the barley stubble will be ok for your dog as long as you check him over after( ears eyes and toes.)wheat and barley look different from all stages you will get there if you keep looking Edited July 24, 2012 by B725 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actionpigeons Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I just wish people would treat working dogs, like working dogs. You can’t shoot over stand wheat or barley without using a dog. I for one will not shoot without a dog. All saying its unfair to use a dog in standing crops, well is it not unfair to leave birds that are not killed in the field without at least trying to pick them I must admit Labs are better for standing crops than Springers and Cockers as they are taller and steadier Comments like “I would not dream of putting my dog is standing crops” or “would you go into crops on your hands and knees” are nonsense. We breed working dogs to work. Treat and feed them well, and give them plenty of work because that is what they love to do. Edited July 24, 2012 by Actionpigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I just wish people would treat working dogs, like working dogs. You can’t shoot over stand wheat or barley without using a dog. I for one will not shoot without a dog. All saying its unfair to use a dog in standing crops, well is it not unfair to leave birds that are not killed in the field without at least trying to pick them I must admit Labs are better for standing crops than Springers and Cockers as they are taller and steadier Comments like “I would not dream of putting my dog is standing crops” or “would you go into crops on your hands and knees” are nonsense. We breed working dogs to work. Treat and feed them well, and give them plenty of work because that is what they love to do. Don't think much of your dogs then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actionpigeons Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Don't think much of your dogs then. I think a lot of my dogs and they work very well for me. But I do treat them like dogs, unlike some on here that cant tell the difference be-tween kids and dogs, and treat their dogs like kids. Edited July 24, 2012 by Actionpigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I just wish people would treat working dogs, like working dogs. You can’t shoot over stand wheat or barley without using a dog. I for one will not shoot without a dog. All saying its unfair to use a dog in standing crops, well is it not unfair to leave birds that are not killed in the field without at least trying to pick them I must admit Labs are better for standing crops than Springers and Cockers as they are taller and steadier Comments like “I would not dream of putting my dog is standing crops” or “would you go into crops on your hands and knees” are nonsense. We breed working dogs to work. Treat and feed them well, and give them plenty of work because that is what they love to do. Quite possibly the most ridiculous thing ive ever read on here! I do treat my working dog exactly like a working dog, i keep him active and HEALTHY especially considering he cost me £500 and ive spent hundreds of hours training him. So because of that very reason why the hell would i want to work him in standing barley where he could possibly come out blind and id have to start again?! Deliberately putting a dog into standing barley knowing what could happen to their eyes is tantamount to animal cruelty in my opinion and you dont deserve to keep dogs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actionpigeons Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Quite possibly the most ridiculous thing ive ever read on here! I do treat my working dog exactly like a working dog, i keep him active and HEALTHY especially considering he cost me £500 and ive spent hundreds of hours training him. So because of that very reason why the hell would i want to work him in standing barley where he could possibly come out blind and id have to start again?! Deliberately putting a dog into standing barley knowing what could happen to their eyes is tantamount to animal cruelty in my opinion and you dont deserve to keep dogs! So I will take it you are a serious shooter and you love you dogs so much you wont work it. So all the lads on here that take their dogs shooting over standing barley, wheat, and peas, not to mention cover crop brambles, and nettles are being cruel and miss treating their dogs. Yes every time you ask your dog to go into cove to retrieve that bird you are taking a risk but what are you going to do leave it at home and work the cover yourself. as i said before "Treat and feed them well, and give them plenty of work because that is what they love to do. Edited July 24, 2012 by Actionpigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I just wish people would treat working dogs, like working dogs. You can’t shoot over stand wheat or barley without using a dog. I for one will not shoot without a dog. All saying its unfair to use a dog in standing crops, well is it not unfair to leave birds that are not killed in the field without at least trying to pick them I must admit Labs are better for standing crops than Springers and Cockers as they are taller and steadier Comments like “I would not dream of putting my dog is standing crops” or “would you go into crops on your hands and knees” are nonsense. We breed working dogs to work. Treat and feed them well, and give them plenty of work because that is what they love to do. The reason for my statement was to highlight the damage barley can do,all my dogs have been working dogs and have had a long and happy life if you choose to up send them into standing barley thats up to you but why have a go at those who choose not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I just wish people would treat working dogs, like working dogs. You can’t shoot over stand wheat or barley without using a dog. I for one will not shoot without a dog. All saying its unfair to use a dog in standing crops, well is it not unfair to leave birds that are not killed in the field without at least trying to pick them I must admit Labs are better for standing crops than Springers and Cockers as they are taller and steadier Comments like “I would not dream of putting my dog is standing crops” or “would you go into crops on your hands and knees” are nonsense. We breed working dogs to work. Treat and feed them well, and give them plenty of work because that is what they love to do. What a stupid comment , you mention treating them well, so you consider letting a dog run around in Barley scratching its eye balls to bit "treating it well " do you, wheat yes but Barley only a idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 The reason for my statement was to highlight the damage barley can do,all my dogs have been working dogs and have had a long and happy life if you choose to up send them into standing barley thats up to you but why have a go at those who choose not to. What a stupid comment , you mention treating them well, so you consider letting a dog run around in Barley scratching its eye balls to bit "treating it well " do you, wheat yes but Barley only a idiot Totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted July 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Good news is I found out that by putting a few deeks on the stone dyke and a couple of floaters in the barley I can shoot the pigeons coming and leaving the field over uncut silage very dog friendly retrieves then !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Good news is I found out that by putting a few deeks on the stone dyke and a couple of floaters in the barley I can shoot the pigeons coming and leaving the field over uncut silage very dog friendly retrieves then !!! :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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