sitsinhedges Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) hi salopian sorry i cannot be of any help , on the subject of loading for the 28 bore , i myself only reload for 12,bore 410 and .222 rifle . i can however help if anyone wants some data on nobel 80 and 82 powders ( not a great amount but they could help someone out ) in 4,8.10,12,16,20 bores that i got from david garrard many moons ago they are also INCLUDED in his book :CARTRIDGE LOADING ISBN 0 85242 659 3 thats if the book is still in print though if anyones interested as some people still seem have stocks of nobel 80 & 82 powders on hand (lucky lucky people lol ) , so on the subject of sharing prices on powder i,ll throw my hat in the ring and say that the cheapest places i,ve found so far for vectan A1 & AS are clayandgame and shotgunreloading @ £39.00 and £38.00 per kilo respectively ,peter lawman is undoubtly the cheapest but thats if you can get in touch with him of coarse . andy I would be interested in 20gauge data for NG80 if you have any. As far as powder goes I think they are all getting to be about the same at £38ish/kilo, it just depends who its most convenient to get it from. Edited August 29, 2012 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Thanks very much for the offers of help and data, after my tantrum. Shocking to think that Lyalvale are supposedly the importers of Vectan and selling at that price, maybe /hopefully they made a mistake and it is £24 + Vat for a Kilo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) Thanks very much for the offers of help and data, after my tantrum. Shocking to think that Lyalvale are supposedly the importers of Vectan and selling at that price, maybe /hopefully they made a mistake and it is £24 + Vat for a Kilo. Can i ask where you find this price list from lyalvale? Edited August 29, 2012 by mr smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Thanks very much for the offers of help and data, after my tantrum. Shocking to think that Lyalvale are supposedly the importers of Vectan and selling at that price, maybe /hopefully they made a mistake and it is £24 + Vat for a Kilo. You may find that dealers buy larger tubs and decant it into their own containers to make it viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafod Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 sitsinhedges ahh i was wrong i,ve just checked the data for 20 bore and the 6 loads listed for the 20 bore use nobel 82 so sorry , i was sure there were loads using nobel 80 but they were for 16 bore , my mistake i,m sorry , but your welcome to all 8 pages if you want them various powders, shot loads , wads , and chamber lengths . this info is from 1978 using eley surefire caps and kleena wadding so they may be adaptable to modern day componants ( would i be correct in saying that cci 209 primers are about the same brissance as the old eley surefire caps ) if the 8 pages are of any use to you then i,ll try and get it done in the next day or two andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 sitsinhedges ahh i was wrong i,ve just checked the data for 20 bore and the 6 loads listed for the 20 bore use nobel 82 so sorry , i was sure there were loads using nobel 80 but they were for 16 bore , my mistake i,m sorry , but your welcome to all 8 pages if you want them various powders, shot loads , wads , and chamber lengths . this info is from 1978 using eley surefire caps and kleena wadding so they may be adaptable to modern day componants ( would i be correct in saying that cci 209 primers are about the same brissance as the old eley surefire caps ) if the 8 pages are of any use to you then i,ll try and get it done in the next day or two andy Thanks but I've got a fair bit of NG80 data for 12g, it just would have been handy to have some for 20g too as I use that quite a lot. I'm sure it's possible as I have data for AS, A1 and A0 all for 20gauge which go from fast to slow burning but nothing seems to be put down in print. Shame I couldn't just swap it for A0 which is great for my 20gauge subsonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun pete Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 hi andy ive been given three tins of nobel 80 ,82 powers eley primers and wads as it is realy hard to find data on this powder, is there any way to send me your data on your loads i want to use on pigeon shooting. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 hi andy ive been given three tins of nobel 80 ,82 powers eley primers and wads as it is realy hard to find data on this powder, is there any way to send me your data on your loads i want to use on pigeon shooting. thanks Describe the 'primers', in detail. That will be a good step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) I've used up my '80 and haven't got the data any more but Floating Chamber is the man to ask about these old components . Edited November 2, 2012 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 An email i have had from a sauce. Hi Alex,I was at Express yesterday collecting Vectan powder. There is currently no shortage of Vectan powder available from express to the trade. The trade RFD price for the 1/2kg tubs is from £24.00 (plu VAT) for A0, AS,A1 but the SP3 and rifle powders are more. I buy (like the others) 20kg tubs which offer a better price and hence allows me to sell AS and A1 for around £37 per kg. To buy in bulk you most collect in person with the correct RFD and explosive licences. The actual profit is quite small after you have paid for the powder, £80 of fuel to collect, the cost of the RFD and explosive store licences vs the volume of sales. The bottom line is we have no UK independent manufacture or supplier of shotgun powder. Express want to sell cartridges not powder so they will not and do not sell it or reloading components cheap. No other UK cartridge manufacture will currently supply powder for reloaders I can bring powder in from the EU transport costs 4800 euros for one kg or 3000kg the max the port will allow. The number of people reloading is very small and does not justify the outlay. Many thanks regards John. interesting reading ! gravy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langlands Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Shotgun Pete, I have the Nobel book, I will PM you the scanned pages next week, the data includes, (amongst other things) primers for Eley, Winchester 209, CC109 and Remington 97 for the curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun pete Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 hi thanks for replying primers are 209. winchester. eley surefire. eley wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Describe in detail the Eley Surefire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun pete Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 eley tin round orange. inside 100 primers middle inserts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) Pete, those are the old Percussion Cap 1B later renamed as Surefire. They are obsolete because you need the very old Eley cases that were manufactured in England. These had cap chambers (battery cups) that were an integral part of the case. This chamber acted like a rivet holding the head, steel re-inforcing disc*' tube and paper base-wad together. It remained in place and only the cap and anvil (which is what you have as Surefire) would be removed and replaced. For a while, in the 1970s, Eley used cases (hulls) and a removable battery cup. The latter proved very useful for re-priming the newly introduced Winchester AA cases that appeared after the terrible explosion at Eley. I cannot See how you can use them.....neither can I....I have about 5000! *actually, this disc allowed the case to be held upright on a magnetic bed. Edited November 3, 2012 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun pete Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 thanks for that a friend of mine whos partner ( colyn rance ) passed away some time back had a sort out . thats how i got them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Hafod, Yes that is correct, so it just goes to show how we are all being ripped off? The price I quoted £24 + Vat was the price from Express / Lyalvale, yesterdays price list. As I said in an earlier post, you would think that we would share information and contacts on this site to the benefit of us all. But No. Apart from a personal email from Mick Shaw & Blaser F3 I have not received one recipe for 28gauge reloading . There must be more than three of us reloading 28gauge fibre wadded cartridges??? But are there more than 3 of you loading 28 gauge in fibre wad. I load 28 gauge using waa28hs waa28 28s1 h37 h48 h41 all plaswads. I did try some cork wads loaded with a standard plaswad recipe ran them through a chrono 600 fps no use to man or beast. So im afraid i could not supply you with a working recipe or has someone sorted you out with a usable load ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafod Posted November 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 hi andy ive been given three tins of nobel 80 ,82 powers eley primers and wads as it is realy hard to find data on this powder, is there any way to send me your data on your loads i want to use on pigeon shooting. thanks shotgun pete send me a p/m with your details and i,ll photocopy what i,ve got and i,ll drop it in the post for you , sorry i,ve only just read your post , had a bit of bother with a tractor wheel a fortnight ago , its a long story LOL . andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langlands Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Shotgun Pete, you have an email and attachements on your Yahoo email account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun pete Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 thank to andy got package wed hope your tractor is ok. and thanks for langlands for replys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafod Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 pete hope there was something of use for you in that little lot , yeah tractors fine LOL , i was mending a puncture in the front wheel , when i was removing the tyre , one of the tyre levers shot out and caught me a beaut , and give me a cracking black eye , everythings fine now , even fixed the puncture LOL . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeper1984 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 vectan powder supplier : sp7,tubal etc he has lots in stock cheap prices david mills 01672 520466 in ramsbury,wiltshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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