Is there only one kind of .204 cf??

[jam1e]

Hi folks,

I'm after abit of advice.

I've asked for a .204 calibre on my fac application. Thinking a .204 was, well, a .204!

But i've read a couple of posts on forums stating there are 2 different types. Is this true?

As far as i recall, one was stated as a Ruger .204 and the other was a Remington .204. Now would that not just be a case of someone confusing the calibre with various types of ammo, or guns, but all still being .204??

Can anyone confirm this for me??

[jam1e]

Bump...

[walshie]

As far as I was aware (and I stand to be corrected) .204 Ruger is the calibre. A remington .204 rifle would still be .204 ruger calibre.

[jamie g]

yes the 204 developed by hornady and ruger. when you see rifles like Remington 204 and savage 204. there the came calibre. just different rifle makes.

 

.i dont know what your force is like but round here we can put 20 calibre centrefire. which then if granted lets us pick whichever 20 calibre we want. ie'' 204,20 tac,20 ppc,20br,20 pratical,

 

if your not sure have a look on google. your see the different 20 calibre rifles. bear in mind though only the 204 offers factory ammo. so if you don't reload there others would be pointless

[jam1e]

yes the 204 developed by hornady and ruger. when you see rifles like Remington 204 and savage 204. there the came calibre. just different rifle makes.

 

.i dont know what your force is like but round here we can put 20 calibre centrefire. which then if granted lets us pick whichever 20 calibre we want. ie'' 204,20 tac,20 ppc,20br,20 pratical,

 

if your not sure have a look on google. your see the different 20 calibre rifles. bear in mind though only the 204 offers factory ammo. so if you don't reload there others would be pointless

Hi Jamie and thanks for the reply. Going on your location, i'm covered by the same force as you, West Mercia.

Not knowing any better i asked for a .204. I'm now also finding there isn't that many .204's about as compared to a .223. So i'd presume that drives the price up to! I'm beginning to think i've ****** up now!

Edited September 12, 2012 by jam1e

[jamie g]

jamie west mercia are starting to get there act together mate and there becoming one of the better forces over night. i have never really had any problems with them. dont buy a rifle for the sake of it. you can easy do a one for one.

 

i go shooting with a couple of mates over the years in that time

we have used the following calibres

 

17 fireball

17 rem

204

222

223

22/250

22/250 ai

6 br

243

 

and they all kill stone dead. if you put the bullet in the right place. all depends on where you shoot also. for instant if you shoot on open windy areas then maybe a bigger calibre would suite your needs better ie 6 mm.

 

you have a 243 so using lighter rounds in that would save you money on buying a new rifle. no extra scope or mod to buy. your also have much less recoil with lighter 6mm foxing bullets like 58 or 65 vmax.. then you will using heavier 243 bullets.

 

one of the lads i shoot with has shot lots of foxes with his tikka t3 tactical. but he fancied a change and now has a 6 br and a 204. both very good in there own right.

the other lad i go with has a 222 and a 243. again both very good the 222 is nice to shoot. low recoil and great accuracy using 40 grain vmax or blizking reloads.

the 243 he used 58 vmax but now uses 75 hollow point reloads. as there is very little in drop out to normal foxing ranges. the 75's also hit much harder.

 

ive shot some rabbits with the 204 its a remmy light varmint. so it is fairly light and very fast firing the 39 grain blizking reloads. now imo all the talk of the very light recoil of the 204 is abit hit and miss.

my mates recoils about the same as the 223 he had. all depends on gun weight. the 223 was fairly heavy. the 204 is fairly light so that's more then likely why there close on the recoil front.

 

now i had a light weight 222 tikka m595 with a 18.5 inch barrel. it wasnt the flattest firing rifle because it only had mild reloads and a 18.5 inch barrel cuts fps down a good amount. but it was silly accurate. and great in the truck. rebarrel on that to a 17 fireball. shot a good number of foxes with this but the iffy feeding from this round on the action i was using. put me off that.so sold it.

 

i now have a 17 remington. its abit faster then the fireball. but feeds perfect. its light varmint. will spit the 25 grain bullets out to 4000fps easy so nice and flat shooting. what i like the most is the little 17 calibre rifles offer really low recoil. you can spot the hits on fox rabbit pigeons etc no problem. there not overly loud. and very rarely exit on foxes. which on some of the smaller shoots i shoot over is perfect. because it is fairly flat ground.

 

i also shot some foxes for a woman last year in a small holding using a 17 calibre. again no exit wounds makes it a lovely safe round. you still have to be carefull of course. but anything that cuts down on a chance exit on these shooting places is great in my book.

 

ive also had a couple of 22/250's still got the one. i don't think i will part with it. its deadly accurate. and the most accurate rifle ive owned. i only wish we could shoot roe this side of the border. because i wouldn't need to fill a 6 mm slot on my fac then.

 

depending on where you are your more then welcome to pop round if not to far away. and have a look at the different calibres. and some reloading for them. so you get a idea.

of what might suite your needs.

Edited September 12, 2012 by jamie g

[Rem223]

As far as I am aware the only factory 20 calibre round is the .204 Ruger. The only 20 cal Remington I am aware of was a 5mm rimfire round which is now pretty much obsolete. There are some wildcats such as those mentioned above, but for factory ammunition the .204 Ruger is it. It will never be as as cheap as a .223 to run and invevitably components (brass, bullets and dies) will cost you more. Its a great round though.

[jamie g]

As far as I am aware the only factory 20 calibre round is the .204 Ruger. The only 20 cal Remington I am aware of was a 5mm rimfire round which is now pretty much obsolete. There are some wildcats such as those mentioned above, but for factory ammunition the .204 Ruger is it. It will never be as as cheap as a .223 to run and invevitably components (brass, bullets and dies) will cost you more. Its a great round though.

 

cooper do a 20 tac. but there not cheap

[jam1e]

jamie west mercia are starting to get there act together mate and there becoming one of the better forces over night. i have never really had any problems with them. dont buy a rifle for the sake of it. you can easy do a one for one.

 

i go shooting with a couple of mates over the years in that time

we have used the following calibres

 

17 fireball

17 rem

204

222

223

22/250

22/250 ai

6 br

243

 

and they all kill stone dead. if you put the bullet in the right place. all depends on where you shoot also. for instant if you shoot on open windy areas then maybe a bigger calibre would suite your needs better ie 6 mm.

 

you have a 243 so using lighter rounds in that would save you money on buying a new rifle. no extra scope or mod to buy. your also have much less recoil with lighter 6mm foxing bullets like 58 or 65 vmax.. then you will using heavier 243 bullets.

 

one of the lads i shoot with has shot lots of foxes with his tikka t3 tactical. but he fancied a change and now has a 6 br and a 204. both very good in there own right.

the other lad i go with has a 222 and a 243. again both very good the 222 is nice to shoot. low recoil and great accuracy using 40 grain vmax or blizking reloads.

the 243 he used 58 vmax but now uses 75 hollow point reloads. as there is very little in drop out to normal foxing ranges. the 75's also hit much harder.

 

ive shot some rabbits with the 204 its a remmy light varmint. so it is fairly light and very fast firing the 39 grain blizking reloads. now imo all the talk of the very light recoil of the 204 is abit hit and miss.

my mates recoils about the same as the 223 he had. all depends on gun weight. the 223 was fairly heavy. the 204 is fairly light so that's more then likely why there close on the recoil front.

 

now i had a light weight 222 tikka m595 with a 18.5 inch barrel. it wasnt the flattest firing rifle because it only had mild reloads and a 18.5 inch barrel cuts fps down a good amount. but it was silly accurate. and great in the truck. rebarrel on that to a 17 fireball. shot a good number of foxes with this but the iffy feeding from this round on the action i was using. put me off that.so sold it.

 

i now have a 17 remington. its abit faster then the fireball. but feeds perfect. its light varmint. will spit the 25 grain bullets out to 4000fps easy so nice and flat shooting. what i like the most is the little 17 calibre rifles offer really low recoil. you can spot the hits on fox rabbit pigeons etc no problem. there not overly loud. and very rarely exit on foxes. which on some of the smaller shoots i shoot over is perfect. because it is fairly flat ground.

 

i also shot some foxes for a woman last year in a small holding using a 17 calibre. again no exit wounds makes it a lovely safe round. you still have to be carefull of course. but anything that cuts down on a chance exit on these shooting places is great in my book.

 

ive also had a couple of 22/250's still got the one. i don't think i will part with it. its deadly accurate. and the most accurate rifle ive owned. i only wish we could shoot roe this side of the border. because i wouldn't need to fill a 6 mm slot on my fac then.

 

depending on where you are your more then welcome to pop round if not to far away. and have a look at the different calibres. and some reloading for them. so you get a idea.

of what might suite your needs.

As per my pm. Cheers Jamie

[jam1e]

I'm happy a .204 would be suitable for my needs. It's not really the calibre thats the issue.

It's more the cost. The feo suggested .223 for foxes but i said i'd prefer a .204, and he was happy with that.

The problem is more financial. There's a lot of .223's out there in various guises, which seems to keep the prices reasonable.

However, the .204's are not so popular, so less choice and higher prices. As already said, i should have asked for a .20 calibre which would have given me more choice. If i get my fac i'll go ahead with buying the rimfires and see if there are any reasonable used .204's about and maybe wait awhile. If nothing comes up for me then i may request a "one for one" and go for the .223

[V8 90]

I have a Kimber .204 - it's awesome It wasn't cheap but you get what you pay for

Also do some research on what bullet weights are accurate with what twist rates - mine is bullet on bullet with 32gn - 40gn is about 4"

Spend some time looking around on the various Forums etc. Ammo costs vary but are roughly the same as .223 (unless you shoot really cheap stuff)

 

HTH

[jam1e]

I have a Kimber .204 - it's awesome It wasn't cheap but you get what you pay for

Also do some research on what bullet weights are accurate with what twist rates - mine is bullet on bullet with 32gn - 40gn is about 4"

Spend some time looking around on the various Forums etc. Ammo costs vary but are roughly the same as .223 (unless you shoot really cheap stuff)

 

HTH

Thanks V8

I was thinking about a CZ or maybe a Remington 700. But it's not in the bag yet so i don't want to look to much into it....

[Rem223]

cooper do a 20 tac. but there not cheap

Its also a wildcat so you need custom dies, but on a positive note the brass is cheap and performance is on a par with the 204 Ruger! Cooper is expensive, but they are likely to retain their value.

[smokeyoakey]

jamie west mercia are starting to get there act together mate and there becoming one of the better forces over night. i have never really had any problems with them. dont buy a rifle for the sake of it. you can easy do a one for one.

 

i go shooting with a couple of mates over the years in that time

we have used the following calibres

 

17 fireball

17 rem

204

222

223

22/250

22/250 ai

6 br

243

 

and they all kill stone dead. if you put the bullet in the right place. all depends on where you shoot also. for instant if you shoot on open windy areas then maybe a bigger calibre would suite your needs better ie 6 mm.

 

you have a 243 so using lighter rounds in that would save you money on buying a new rifle. no extra scope or mod to buy. your also have much less recoil with lighter 6mm foxing bullets like 58 or 65 vmax.. then you will using heavier 243 bullets.

 

one of the lads i shoot with has shot lots of foxes with his tikka t3 tactical. but he fancied a change and now has a 6 br and a 204. both very good in there own right.

the other lad i go with has a 222 and a 243. again both very good the 222 is nice to shoot. low recoil and great accuracy using 40 grain vmax or blizking reloads.

the 243 he used 58 vmax but now uses 75 hollow point reloads. as there is very little in drop out to normal foxing ranges. the 75's also hit much harder.

 

ive shot some rabbits with the 204 its a remmy light varmint. so it is fairly light and very fast firing the 39 grain blizking reloads. now imo all the talk of the very light recoil of the 204 is abit hit and miss.

my mates recoils about the same as the 223 he had. all depends on gun weight. the 223 was fairly heavy. the 204 is fairly light so that's more then likely why there close on the recoil front.

 

now i had a light weight 222 tikka m595 with a 18.5 inch barrel. it wasnt the flattest firing rifle because it only had mild reloads and a 18.5 inch barrel cuts fps down a good amount. but it was silly accurate. and great in the truck. rebarrel on that to a 17 fireball. shot a good number of foxes with this but the iffy feeding from this round on the action i was using. put me off that.so sold it.

 

i now have a 17 remington. its abit faster then the fireball. but feeds perfect. its light varmint. will spit the 25 grain bullets out to 4000fps easy so nice and flat shooting. what i like the most is the little 17 calibre rifles offer really low recoil. you can spot the hits on fox rabbit pigeons etc no problem. there not overly loud. and very rarely exit on foxes. which on some of the smaller shoots i shoot over is perfect. because it is fairly flat ground.

 

i also shot some foxes for a woman last year in a small holding using a 17 calibre. again no exit wounds makes it a lovely safe round. you still have to be carefull of course. but anything that cuts down on a chance exit on these shooting places is great in my book.

 

ive also had a couple of 22/250's still got the one. i don't think i will part with it. its deadly accurate. and the most accurate rifle ive owned. i only wish we could shoot roe this side of the border. because i wouldn't need to fill a 6 mm slot on my fac then.

 

depending on where you are your more then welcome to pop round if not to far away. and have a look at the different calibres. and some reloading for them. so you get a idea.

of what might suite your needs.

jamie west mercia are starting to get there act together mate and there becoming one of the better forces over night. i have never really had any problems with them. dont buy a rifle for the sake of it. you can easy do a one for one.

 

i go shooting with a couple of mates over the years in that time

we have used the following calibres

 

17 fireball

17 rem

204

222

223

22/250

22/250 ai

6 br

243

 

and they all kill stone dead. if you put the bullet in the right place. all depends on where you shoot also. for instant if you shoot on open windy areas then maybe a bigger calibre would suite your needs better ie 6 mm.

 

you have a 243 so using lighter rounds in that would save you money on buying a new rifle. no extra scope or mod to buy. your also have much less recoil with lighter 6mm foxing bullets like 58 or 65 vmax.. then you will using heavier 243 bullets.

 

one of the lads i shoot with has shot lots of foxes with his tikka t3 tactical. but he fancied a change and now has a 6 br and a 204. both very good in there own right.

the other lad i go with has a 222 and a 243. again both very good the 222 is nice to shoot. low recoil and great accuracy using 40 grain vmax or blizking reloads.

the 243 he used 58 vmax but now uses 75 hollow point reloads. as there is very little in drop out to normal foxing ranges. the 75's also hit much harder.

 

ive shot some rabbits with the 204 its a remmy light varmint. so it is fairly light and very fast firing the 39 grain blizking reloads. now imo all the talk of the very light recoil of the 204 is abit hit and miss.

my mates recoils about the same as the 223 he had. all depends on gun weight. the 223 was fairly heavy. the 204 is fairly light so that's more then likely why there close on the recoil front.

 

now i had a light weight 222 tikka m595 with a 18.5 inch barrel. it wasnt the flattest firing rifle because it only had mild reloads and a 18.5 inch barrel cuts fps down a good amount. but it was silly accurate. and great in the truck. rebarrel on that to a 17 fireball. shot a good number of foxes with this but the iffy feeding from this round on the action i was using. put me off that.so sold it.

 

i now have a 17 remington. its abit faster then the fireball. but feeds perfect. its light varmint. will spit the 25 grain bullets out to 4000fps easy so nice and flat shooting. what i like the most is the little 17 calibre rifles offer really low recoil. you can spot the hits on fox rabbit pigeons etc no problem. there not overly loud. and very rarely exit on foxes. which on some of the smaller shoots i shoot over is perfect. because it is fairly flat ground.

 

i also shot some foxes for a woman last year in a small holding using a 17 calibre. again no exit wounds makes it a lovely safe round. you still have to be carefull of course. but anything that cuts down on a chance exit on these shooting places is great in my book.

 

ive also had a couple of 22/250's still got the one. i don't think i will part with it. its deadly accurate. and the most accurate rifle ive owned. i only wish we could shoot roe this side of the border. because i wouldn't need to fill a 6 mm slot on my fac then.

 

depending on where you are your more then welcome to pop round if not to far away. and have a look at the different calibres. and some reloading for them. so you get a idea.

of what might suite your needs.

What a cracking reply spot on

[jam1e]

What a cracking reply spot on

I agree!

I have pm'd jamie g.