S410 Xtra FAC

[deadeye ive]

My rifle is long overdue a major overall as it's grouping erratically at 50 metres where it as always been a tack driver and I was wondering if anyone on here as taken one to bits or knows of someone in the Burton and Derby area whose brains I could pick for a small price .

 

 

 

Never touched Air rifles before and have always sent this one back to AA's for a service but I have better things to spend 80-£100 on at the moment

[roblade]

if its shooting eraticaly, is it the consistancy of the rifle or something else effecting it?

 

couple of obviuose things to check.

 

give the barrel a clean (pull through is about the best)

 

Is the breech O ring still intact? this is the oring that is infront of the pellet, when the magazine is fitted try covering it with either your hand or a bit of tissue paper. if this is the case its probably been blown down the barrel s wont have done any harm. But the hard part is getting it back in LOL ok so not hard just anoying LOL

 

On the up side i have known people with s400/410 and have had no problems without having thier rifel serviced for many years (3 years), the only fault i have heard that has been a mechanical fault is the magazine indexing spring, again only a 5 min job and part costs under £10.

 

not a lot of help im affraid

 

ROB

[deadeye ive]

if its shooting eraticaly, is it the consistancy of the rifle or something else effecting it?

 

couple of obviuose things to check.

 

give the barrel a clean (pull through is about the best)

 

Is the breech O ring still intact? this is the oring that is infront of the pellet, when the magazine is fitted try covering it with either your hand or a bit of tissue paper. if this is the case its probably been blown down the barrel s wont have done any harm. But the hard part is getting it back in LOL ok so not hard just anoying LOL

 

On the up side i have known people with s400/410 and have had no problems without having thier rifel serviced for many years (3 years), the only fault i have heard that has been a mechanical fault is the magazine indexing spring, again only a 5 min job and part costs under £10.

 

not a lot of help im affraid

 

ROB

 

Cheers Rob

 

To descibe the groups would be to say it's now similar to a .22 lr ......several going where they should with the remainder going all over the place some high ,some low left /right etc! and as far away from the main group as 2" .........Out of a 10 shot group I,m getting 3/4 flyers on a regular basis ....Rifle has been chron'd and is OK btw.

[blackthorn]

ive have you ruled out the pellets you might have a bad batch

[scaffman73]

Sorry i can't be any help with your problem , but i'm interested in what you think of the rifle . I have a H.P. air rifle slot on my ticket which i'm looking to fill , and can't quite make up my mind between a S410 - Rapid or the Superten . Any input would be well appreciated .

[hawkeye]

Sorry i can't be any help with your problem , but i'm interested in what you think of the rifle . I have a H.P. air rifle slot on my ticket which i'm looking to fill , and can't quite make up my mind between a S410 - Rapid or the Superten . Any input would be well appreciated .

 

 

Go for the rapid you soft sod you know it makes sense

[jezza]

Sorry i can't be any help with your problem , but i'm interested in what you think of the rifle . I have a H.P. air rifle slot on my ticket which i'm looking to fill , and can't quite make up my mind between a S410 - Rapid or the Superten . Any input would be well appreciated .

 

 

Go for the rapid you soft sod you know it makes sense

go onto airgun bbs and pm a chap called keef he is from stoke and is very good with air rifles plus he is a rfd so can work on your rilfe plus his rates and very good

[roblade]

go onto airgun bbs and pm a chap called keef he is from stoke and is very good with air rifles plus he is a rfd so can work on your rilfe plus his rates and very good

 

no Keef is a stockmaker (though he can tune slightly) he is behind the majority of bull puped rifles out there, i think he used to be or is part of the company known as XB&M. There are better people out there that can work on your rifle if you wnt it kept standard. John bowket on BSA rifles, GML on AA, starnge no one is n the daystate jobs at the moment, does that say something about thier quality??

 

As for the rifle, my money woul be on it being a dirty barrel.

 

Just curiouse, but how many pellets has it had through it since it was last serviced?

 

ROB

[deadeye ive]

ive have you ruled out the pellets you might have a bad batch

Welcome back BT.........You've got them jobs done then

 

I'm about at the end of a tin of 500 which have been consistant so it ain't the pellets .......Baz on bbs said a while back give it a good clean which you can't really do with a pull through ..........So as i'm blessed with a lot of patiance and could'nt wait for advice I have the thing in bits as we speak and have given the barrel a good rodding with a nylon brush ,RS solvent cleaner and finished off with a jag and patches ...........Got to wait a few days for in the field results

 

Sorry i can't be any help with your problem , but i'm interested in what you think of the rifle . I have a H.P. air rifle slot on my ticket which i'm looking to fill , and can't quite make up my mind between a S410 - Rapid or the Superten . Any input would be well appreciated .

Can't believe your not aware of the banter between myself ,hawkeye and kdubya concerning FAC Air rifles

 

The S410 fac is superb and alot cheaper and more suitable in the field for solo lamping and I highly reccomend it ..........there is nothing wrong with the rapid series other than the price but having used both (my dad has the Rapid MKII )btw I would sooner have the S410 and SO WOULD THE OLD MAN NOW!Mike

 

 

Either way scaffman it'll be what darebear will let you spend

 

Just curiouse, but how many pellets has it had through it since it was last serviced?

 

ROB

Probably about a 1000..........It's my hunch as well Rob although I have gave it a thorough pull through a few weeks ago

[roblade]

would have thought that after only 1000 shots the barrel would have just about got releaded.

 

apart from thinking it could be a dodgy batch of pellets, not too sure what else it could be. But then again im not a gun smith or even close to being one, if anything goes wrong with my rifle they go straight to the smith at the club, just take a little longer to come back to me is all LOL

 

I hope you can get it sorted out, but the parts diagram on the air arms web site wshould be able to give you an idea of how everything bolts together.

 

Just thinking about how everything bolts together has reminded me about the barrel shroud, i know someone who had/ has ne of these and they are a very long rifle, has the shroud taken a knock at all? The guy i know had it leaning on the back seat he had to brake hard and it fell over (this is the story, how true it is dont blame me) well it fell oiver and bent the shroud and you could see the bend in it! He wondered why his was grouping eraticaly. Not saying this is whats happend to yours, but might be worth having a look at the shorud.

 

ROB

[08shooter]

i have a s400 xtra hi and i love it i can regularly shoot inch groups at 80 metres .i fitted a theoben silencer to help hush it, that is my only fault with it.i would have an air arms any day before a bsa,proof of that being i have another on the way.well built deadly accurate and hard hitting and possibly cheaper than others need any more info dont be scared to shout. and yes check the barrel and the shroud baffles apparently these can move good luck

[deadeye ive]

i have a s400 xtra hi and i love it i can regularly shoot inch groups at 80 metres .i fitted a theoben silencer to help hush it, that is my only fault with it.i would have an air arms any day before a bsa,proof of that being i have another on the way.well built deadly accurate and hard hitting and possibly cheaper than others need any more info dont be scared to shout. and yes check the barrel and the shroud baffles apparently these can move good luck

Hi mate

 

There is no need for that additional silencer ..........the noise is a result of the diffused blast of air being directed back over the barrel and expelled out of the 2 ports under the scope and can be very deceptive indicating this as a very loud air rifle ,espsecially if your using a legal limit version as a comparison ............60 yds in front of it and it's quiet enough

 

Yes it is very accurate or was in my case

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Hopefully On saturday i might be able to get up at the range and see the results of the cleaning i have just carried out .

[bennyblanco]

ive, just a thought. when you push the bolt forward to load a pellet does the mag rotate at all? my indexing spring got bent a few years back and wasn't lining up the pellets perfectly, could of damaged the pellet head while loading?

 

also if you can, try grouping without the shroud if its possible to use the gun in that state. baffles cause most inaccuracies imho

[deadeye ive]

ive, just a thought. when you push the bolt forward to load a pellet does the mag rotate at all? my indexing spring got bent a few years back and wasn't lining up the pellets perfectly, could of damaged the pellet head while loading?

 

also if you can, try grouping without the shroud if its possible to use the gun in that state. baffles cause most inaccuracies imho

Cheers Mark

 

How did you damage this spring ?

 

I have a feeling your getting warm with the mag not rotating round far enough and a deformed pellet being loaded as a result .......Occasionally I have to use additional force to ram the bolt forward.....How could you extract oneshort of removing the barrel

 

I have no idea how to take the shroud off but using marker pen round the exit hole and it remaining untouched indicates to myself everything is fine in that area .

[hawkeye]

The S410 fac is superb and alot cheaper and more suitable in the field for solo lamping and I highly reccomend it ..........there is nothing wrong with the rapid series other than the price nugget.gif but having used both (my dad has the Rapid MKII )btw I would sooner have the S410 and SO WOULD THE OLD MAN NOW!Mike

 

 

 

The old man bit would not be meant for me by any chance IVY :look: :look:

[SNAKEBITE]

I have a feeling your getting warm with the mag not rotating round far enough and a deformed pellet being loaded as a result .......Occasionally I have to use additional force to ram the bolt forward.....How could you extract oneshort of removing the barrel

 

I am comparing your Xtra with my standard S410k so please bear with me if I'm a little on the wrong side..............

 

Try to load a pellet WITHOUT the magazine. Then push home with the bolt. After 10 shots you should know if there is somthing adrift. Somthing that roblade mentioned earlier was the "O" ring seal that the bolt passes through. If this has worn or become dislodged you will have problems.

I don't think it can be a power fluctuation as there is left to right movement as well as a drop

 

If it is the "O" ring seal drop me a line and I can post one off to you. It is a standard size and can easily be picked up at a fraction of the cost of an air arms one. (We have them at work!)

[deadeye ive]

The old man bit would not be meant for me by any chance IVY

No ,I was definately refering to my dad who's 60 ...........same age as you pops :look: ....I mean Mike

 

Try to load a pellet WITHOUT the magazine.

yep will do that if the barrel cleaning has'nt worked ............O ring is ok mate but thanks for the offer

 

would have thought that after only 1000 shots the barrel would have just about got releaded.

 

 

 

ROB

Now apparently according to some of the Whizzkids on BBs (Including Baz ) a lead pellet travelling 975 Fps clogs a barrel up and requires regular cleaning

 

Don't know myself but I'll do anything to get this rifle consistant again :look:

[deadeye ive]

sorted

 

results in the sporting pics section ..............

[roblade]

awww cant you tell here? i only do the sales and airgun section on here

 

glad its sorted though

 

ROB

[SNAKEBITE]

sorted

 

results in the sporting pics section ..............

 

So what was the problem then?

[deadeye ive]

sorted :blink:

 

results in the sporting pics section ..............

 

So what was the problem then?

A combination of a fouled barrel and I'm guessing that while the resovoir was decanted the operation of cocking and firing the trigger probably dis-lodged some foreign material ............Either way the pull through I did several weeks ago WAS not sufficient IMO.

 

What I do know is they are simpler than what they look to work on .

[roblade]

So we know what your goingto be fiddling with on the weekends now then :blink: I knew they wernt too hard to work on which was why i pointed you to the parts diagram, if you can follow that you can stip it down with the bare basic of knowledge.

 

but i have heard that some rifles need to have the barrel cleaned after every outing (500 shots ish) to keep things running smoothly.

 

Glad it was nothing seriouse and now you dont have to worry if anything goes pear shaped with them, should be able to do all yoru servicing yourself now, which means you can spend out on a nice range finder or battery powered heated undershorts

 

ROB

[Dave-G]

dunno if this helps anyone

 

http://www.airgunforum.net/agf/index.php?s...=s410+stripdown