^mimic^ Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Can somebondy please provide a link or the UK law details for the specified calibers for Each quarry After reading another post i felt this needs to be Placed on here in Clear view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Red Fox Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 It's not the quarry that's specific to the calibre it's the land your shooting on, with the intended quarry taken into concideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
^mimic^ Posted September 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 http://www.basc.org.uk/content/settingthes...codesofpractice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Deer Commission for Scotland: http://www.dcs.gov.uk/BestPractice/manage_...isticsChart.htm detailing deer stalking calibers and legality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 With due respect to the previous replies, I think this is what mimic is referring to. I'm no good with these link things but if you put " Firearms Guidance to the Police 2002 " in your search engine, you will bring up a Home Office Link. Now in Chapter 13, Page 76 you will see a list of calibers which are to be used on certain types of animals. It is quite specific and the Police should be using this when processing firearm certificate applications etc. This is the latest Guidance that I am aware of, but obviously it has been superceded by the advent of the 17 HMR. In other words, it has created another grey area for us gun onwers. Is this what you wanted, mimic ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...ms-Guidance.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
^mimic^ Posted September 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well i was hoping there was a legal requirment for a 243 on fox but i guess there isnt Yeh it was the .17 hmr comment i didn't like In my personal opinion shooting a fox with that caliber is Crewl.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well i was hoping there was a legal requirment for a 243 on fox but i guess there isnt Yeh it was the .17 hmr comment i didn't like In my personal opinion shooting a fox with that caliber is Crewl.... Mmm, you obviously didn’t read my answer about shooting foxes at 250yds with a .17hmr……….it was a bloody joke. As for shooting them at normal ranges, I will refer you to the answer I gave to Hilly Billy; if you have never used the calibre against fox, and have no actual knowledge about the capabilities of this calibre, then you can’t just give an arbitrary answer based on a “Feeling†that it MAY be cruel. Shooting a fox at 60yds in the heart/lung area with a .22rf, travelling at 1050-1080fps could cause wounding, and could be construed as cruel if that caused suffering. But the same shot with a .17hmr CCI hollow-point travelling at 2550 fps is massively more powerful and WILL take that fox out very quickly and with the minimum of suffering IF the shot is correctly placed. I have used this round on many occasions and actually have it on my ticket as a dedicated fox round, so I do have actual experience of the performance of this round, and don’t base my answer on theory, rhetoric or a “Feeling†that it isn’t powerful enough. Now I really do feel that this subject has been just about done to death, and unless someone can actually come along with another post that is of some technical merit, then I will now bow out of this particular discussion. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 If the .17 HMR round was 'cruel' then it wouldnt be in the home office guideline for shooting foxes with, would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 If the .17 HMR round was 'cruel' then it wouldnt be in the home office guideline for shooting foxes with, would it? not sure it is. do you mean the 17 rem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 il cacciatore, That is my point. As mark says, the 17rem is in the list, but not the 17hmr. They are two totally different calibers. tt If the .17 HMR round was 'cruel' then it wouldnt be in the home office guideline for shooting foxes with, would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Oh aye sorry.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Oh aye sorry.. anyone can make a mistake, and i often wonder if some of the firearms departments make them as well, and thats how some folk get the hmr for foxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Hang on. The .22 Hornet is the smallest "recommended" round for foxes. It has muzzle energy of 650-700ft/lbs and muzzle velocity of 2,500 - 2,600 fps The .17 HMR has a muzzle energy of 245 ft/lbs and muzzle velocity of 2594 fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Hang on. The .22 Hornet is the smallest "recommended" round for foxes. It has muzzle energy of 650-700ft/lbs and muzzle velocity of 2,500 - 2,600 fps The .17 HMR has a muzzle energy of 245 ft/lbs and muzzle velocity of 2594 fps and you point is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 I dont have a point. I was just comparing the two and posted for others to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 sorry young man, i thought with you starting with "hang on" you had found something. sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Oh aye sorry.. anyone can make a mistake, and i often wonder if some of the firearms departments make them as well, and thats how some folk get the hmr for foxes. You know i have my HMR listed for vermin and also FOX this is from a force that turned one of the members of this forum down when he applied for it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...ms-Guidance.pdf :blink: That's a hell of a useful document il cacciatore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Put them on the floor and smash them with a hammer, making them nothing more than mangled lumps of lead and copper. Believe me, the authorities would have no hesitation in revoking your FAC if these were found in your possession, and the way this lot in power works you would probably be treated harder than a Yardie with a dozen live 9mm rounds in his possession. :blink: G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Put them on the floor and smash them with a hammer, making them nothing more than mangled lumps of lead and copper.Believe me, the authorities would have no hesitation in revoking your FAC if these were found in your possession, and the way this lot in power works you would probably be treated harder than a Yardie with a dozen live 9mm rounds in his possession. :blink: G.M. Already done Graham. Thanks for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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