old_n07 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) It's another one of those identify the gun type threads An old boy passed on and the gun was passed on to me but I'm not sure on the actual make, it has The Grange Gun Co. Hewell Redditch on the barrel but from what little I've found out they had their guns made by third parties and had their name put on them. The proof marks are Birmingham post 1959 The gun in question is a single barrel bolt action 12G Sorry for all the pics, but any info gratefully recieved Neil Edited October 21, 2012 by old_n07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Does it have a box mag that's been welded in? The only one I know of is a Marlin goose gun - not sure if that's the name or just what they're called informally? The stock looks similar but I'm not sure about the back of the bolt. That doesn't look quite right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_n07 Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 It's just a single shot very simple shotgun, no magazine of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 That knurled bit on the back of the bolt looks a lot like those fitted to Springfield rifles. I've never seen it anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Some info on the maker http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/208988-grange-gun-company-redditch-any-info/ Care Of Midland Shooting School Hewell Park Redditch Worcestershire B97 6QP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_n07 Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Some info on the maker http://forums.pigeon...ditch-any-info/ Care Of Midland Shooting School Hewell Park Redditch Worcestershire B97 6QP Cheers for that Looks like someone has a Grange for sale on Guntrader though they are not quite sure what it is from the description "Grange Gun Co 9mm RF Bolt Action second hand Shotgun (R/H)" I think I'll see if they can send me a picture of the gun tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_n07 Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 No reponse from the dealer selling the gun yet Here's a couple of pictures of the barrel removed from the stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 The only one I know of is a Marlin goose gun - not sure if that's the name or just what they're called informally? It's not a Marlin. The one that I had said what it was, "Marlin Model 55" (IIRC). It had a 36" barrel. When I took it to the local clay ground, I had to unsling it from my shoulder before I could walk through the club-house door. Regards, Mark. P.S. It had a two-shot box mag that had been welded in as it was S.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 It looks very similar to a BSA type action but it might be an American Cooey. (Spelling). They were fairly popular as cheap singles back in the 60's/70's. I cant remember who used to import/sell them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Webly and Scott? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) .719 ! thats a tight one ! Edited October 23, 2012 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_n07 Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 It looks very similar to a BSA type action but it might be an American Cooey. (Spelling). They were fairly popular as cheap singles back in the 60's/70's. I cant remember who used to import/sell them. I've had a Google arround for the Cooey's and the bolt action seems to be different, where the slot is on the centre on my gun it is to the side on the Cooey. Cheers for the suggestion, I'd not heard of the make before. Webly and Scott? The W+S are some closest I've seen, but I don't think it is one .719 ! thats a tight one ! What does the .719" reffer to? Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Webley would be my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 What does the .719" reffer to? Neil bore size, .729 is a classic size for 12gauge, although this can be classed as sub bore, so is slightly tighter. only the chambers specifications are tightly controlled, the forcing cone and barrel diameter are completely open to interpretation. some have overbore (larger than 0.729" ) and some have smaller than 0.729" bore meaning sub bore. although they do only fluctuate 10 thou here and there.... most guns have it stamped on the barrel. as this does. my sxs is scribed in metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I kinda like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_n07 Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 bore size, .729 is a classic size for 12gauge, although this can be classed as sub bore, so is slightly tighter. only the chambers specifications are tightly controlled, the forcing cone and barrel diameter are completely open to interpretation. some have overbore (larger than 0.729" ) and some have smaller than 0.729" bore meaning sub bore. although they do only fluctuate 10 thou here and there.... most guns have it stamped on the barrel. as this does. my sxs is scribed in metric. Cheers for clearing that up, does it mean that it has the same effect as a choke I kinda like it I know what you mean, I'm going to look at refinishing the stock and generally tidying it up a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 no, choke is a whole different ball game, invilving restriction, pattern and distance, its a cool gun, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Choke is a constriction at the muzzle to lesser diameter than the bore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drone Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's not a cool gun it really is a bag of ****, the lock time is probably longer than a flintlock. ,719 points it at an american manufacturer. I owned a grange gun co 410 once, first shotgun I ever owned and it misfired on the very first shot. I think I've had a flinch ever since. It probably is a harrington & richards or savage who bulked out guns for the UK like the birmingham manufacturers did for african trade guns. It's great for sneaking up hedgerows and potting sitters but will not be that repetitive on wing shots due to the lock time. Guns like this hung on many a wall in south wales and looked very impressive but didn't get much use hence the good condition of your example. It's guns like this that showed the superiority of the bsa and webley and scott break barrel single shot, especially the w&s and condemned the grange gun co and dorchesters of this world to obscurity, I mean how many people would fail to recognise the contemporary beeza or W&S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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