Matt the Pigeon Shooter Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Hello everyone. I am after my first pcp air rifle. I have looked at the new BSA ultra multishot tactical for around £450 but have also looked at second hand BSA super 10's for around £350. Has any one got any advice on what to go for and any other options I should look at? My budget is £500 for multishot rifle and scope. Cheers. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I'd recommend Air Arms or Weihrauch, rather than BSA. That is a very personal view, I know. But I don't feel BSA quality is worthy of the prices any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I'd definitely pick the Super 10 over the Ultra. At £350 you could have enough left over to get some work done on it by John bowkett. He will then turn it into a gun that will happily out shoot the R10, never mind a standard S10. I definitely wouldn't bother with the Ultra. You've got enough cash to get a really decent gun! If you want a small, light and maneuverable little shooter, skip the Ultra and instead have a look at the Falcon LIghthunter If that's not your cup of tea, as robbie said look at Air Arms - S410 or 510, or the Weihrauch HW100, athough i think you'll struggle to get one of those for £500 with a scope, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Don't forget to budget for bottle or pump.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Have a look at this thread... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/228931-marks-new-airrifle/ That's how good the BSA Super10 can look! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Pigeon Shooter Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Nice one, thank you for the information, it certainly gives me more to look at now. What about the pellet size .22 or .177 for pigeon & rabbit etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Well, i'm a big believer in .177 for everything below FAC shooting. you get a flatter trajectory, so a little more forgiving if you get the range estimate wrong, but if you use a heavy pellet you still get plenty of power in the impact. Not so great in the wind, but still i preferred choice. Bisley Magnums rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 My turn to agree now, .177 flies a lot flatter than .22 - and I'm a .22 shooter, never really got into .177. In terms of effectiveness, either .177 or .22 at 35 yards will, if it hits a rabbit in the correct part of the head, kill it instantly. The .177 is more likely to come out of the other side of the head, and some people use that as an argument for not using .177. I can't imagine a rabbit hopping away from either, really. The advantage of .177 is that the pbz has a lot greater distance - something like 8-40 yards is perfect zero. With a .22 you are having to allow for a considerable amount of drop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 For £500 budget id be looking at an Air Arms s410. You can pick them up for 350->400 incl silencer & scope which gives you just about enough to get a pump or maybe a cheap bottle to fill it up. Cant go wrong. Easy to service yourself, very powerful and accurate. Also they hold their value - so if you want to sell in 12 months time you can pretty much guarentee you`ll still get £350->£400 for it. .177 or .22.... not much in it really, although the .177 is more popular with target shooters and 2nd hand prices seem to be higher. You also get less number of shots per charge from the .177 gun. Seems to really be personal preference as to which people go for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I would go for the Super 10 any day of the week, an awesome gun, reliable, works well and feeds you too! I got three birds on the last trip out, 2 pigeons and a pheasant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 So many to look at. At the end of the day its what feels right when you shoulder the gun. BSA Super 10 or R10. Air Arms 400.410.510. Daystate Huntsman. Or any Daystate. Have a look at Hatsan`s web site. Hatsan AT44 you get 2 x 10 shot mags air gauge and a Walther match barrel so deadly accurate £280 new. Hatsan BT65 Same as AT44 but bigger a big beast of a gun and deadly accurate £375 new. It always used to be .177 for feather. .22 for fur. But with the pellets that are available now its personal choice. Bisley mags at 10.5 gn in .177 will make a clean kill on bunnies. pigeon. crows. rats. Its down to shot placement. .22 pellets are harder hitting but they suffer more pellet drop. than .177. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Try and look for a secondhand BSA Super 10 Carbine or a secondhand Rapid 7-both are absolutely superb multi-shot rifles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 for the budget you have,a second hand s410 without a doubt,good luck with your choice,,,evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Another superb rifle is the Daystate Huntsman Classic-see if you can find a nice secondhand one. They are definately worth a closer look,that is my advice. ATB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 here,s mine as said above get one of these second hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Well I got this NEW last year Cost less than £450 too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 I think most modern air rifles are on par with each other for accuracy these days, over the years i have spent a small fortune looking for that "perfect" hunting air rifle, reading all the blurb in the magazines and on the internet and then buying the latest gun that was available, but in the end the gun that will be best for you is the one that "Feels Right" this will be different for everyone but if the gun feels right when you shoulder it, the confidence in the shot is better, ive owned most makes and whilst they were all good rifles the BSA super ten was a great gun to shoot with and i also liked the Air Arms S410k, apart from dumping all of its air a few times whilst out in the field it was light weight very accurate and the magazine system worked well, but after one of the occasions of it dumping all of its air i took it into the gunshop where i bought it for them to have a look at it and check that everything was ok, and whilst they had it they leant me a mk1 Logun Pro k in .177, and i never gave the rifle back, no i did'nt nick it ;-) but i i did a PX deal for the Logun against my S410k ... just because it felt right and 7 years on im still using that Logun and i still love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 both stunnung guns and must admit the logun does look very much like the s410, whatever ya happy with as said but i do still prefer mine, well till i get an Air Ranger anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) I think most modern air rifles are on par with each other for accuracy these days, over the years i have spent a small fortune looking for that "perfect" hunting air rifle, reading all the blurb in the magazines and on the internet and then buying the latest gun that was available, but in the end the gun that will be best for you is the one that "Feels Right" this will be different for everyone but if the gun feels right when you shoulder it, the confidence in the shot is better, ive owned most makes and whilst they were all good rifles the BSA super ten was a great gun to shoot with and i also liked the Air Arms S410k, apart from dumping all of its air a few times whilst out in the field it was light weight very accurate and the magazine system worked well, but after one of the occasions of it dumping all of its air i took it into the gunshop where i bought it for them to have a look at it and check that everything was ok, and whilst they had it they leant me a mk1 Logun Pro k in .177, and i never gave the rifle back, no i did'nt nick it ;-) but i i did a PX deal for the Logun against my S410k ... just because it felt right and 7 years on im still using that Logun and i still love it I have a Logun Pro MK1 in .22 it is so accurate and a joy to shoot it just feels right when you shoulder the gun. I also have a Daystate Huntsman FTR again so accurate and feels right when you shoulder it. I seem to be collecting PCPs. I Also have a BSA Super 10 Bull Barrel in .177. Logun Solo in .177. Logun Solo in .22. Falcon FN19 in .22. Hatsan AT44 10w in .22. Plus a number of springers that I have collected over the years. HW77. HW80. BSA Superstar in .25 cal that hits like a sledge hammer on close range Rats. All my gun are Scoped and Silenced I just need more arms to shoot them. LOL. I hope her in doors dosen`t see how many guns I have. Or It will be sore nuts time. Edited December 21, 2012 by NIGHT SEARCHER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 (edited) Just got a new addition to the armoury, might I introduce my second flirtation with Daystate? Quiet as a mouse breaking wind! Edited December 23, 2012 by secretagentmole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 haha i was wondering on whose signature this would turn up! does this mean you're getting rid of something? that Super 10 perhaps?? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 here,s mine as said above get one of these second hand Beautiful Rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 No way, I missed my X2 though, this makes up for it, charging it up now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furryba11 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Also look out for a RWS 500 range (daystate air ranger at half the price) or get a BSA ultra / scorpion and send it off to XTX air for an xtune can't wrong love mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 I have a Logun Pro MK1 in .22 it is so accurate and a joy to shoot it just feels right when you shoulder the gun. There is something different about shooting a hand built gun, the build quality and attention to detail are far superior to the mass produced guns that are knocked out to a price .... and if you can find a decent secondhand one you can get all of this for the price of an Air Arms S410 Wurzel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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