coneyhunter Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Hello all, could somebody please help me with a shotshell load i have in the charge table for my lee load all. cheddite factory primed case 12 Gauge 70mm 18.9 Grains Red Dot powder ( bushing .163) 28 Grams of N07 Shot Claybuster CB1100-12 Wad The recepie is exactly the same as one that appeared on the Alliant powders site with the exeption of the wads which were Remington RXP 12 , unfortunatley i cant seem to source these so will have to use Claybusters. Will this load be safe to construct with the claybuster wad instead of the Remington wads? for the record they look very similar wads but i would like to check first. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=175822 you know, gualandi wads perform better than most american wads. cheaper too. the problem with some wads and wad clones. is they are designed for internal taper hulls. so often have an undersized powdercup. hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) I have recipies for red dot with piston skeet wads for 28g using 4 different primers winchester and CCI in 12/2A hulls. I also have 5 recipies for red dot with Fio 616 primers and Fiocchi hulls for 28g loads. All have FPS and pressure data Edited December 5, 2012 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingo45 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 You quote a bushing have you got scale to measure actual powder drops . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The bushing is quoted as the correct one on the Lee load all bushibg chart! I tend to follow the chart but also.drop a few charges to measure on the scales and they do seem failrly.accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyhunter Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I might have been able to get hold of some RXP 12 wads from the U.K importer but we shall see, i read on an American site that the accuracy of the powder measure is far more important than the actual wad used, as long as its not too short for the hull which, according to the site, can have the shot height column raised with the column adjusters. Apparantly most 28 Gram 2/34 Red Dot loads are safe with any " suitable" wads as long as i do not exceed 20 grains of powder, im assuming suitable loads will translate as plastic wads and i certanly do not intenend to put over 20 grains of powder in my homeloads, however im again taking this advice with a pinch of salt as i could just be speculative. Researching my Lee Load All chart informs me that with my current recepie my 18.9 grains of Red dot ( Bushing 163 ) should be putting out 1200 FPS , i may drop the bushing down to 155 which will give me 18 grains of powder and drop the FPS to 1145. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Lee bushings generally throw 5 to 10% less than the stated grains....... in my humble experience! I tend to use powder dippers for all my clay and game loads which are far more accurate - only using the lee for throwing the lead and then crimping Normally then finish of with a rto which gives a superb looking factory finish Regards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Lee bushings generally throw 5 to 10% less than the stated grains....... in my humble experience! I tend to use powder dippers for all my clay and game loads which are far more accurate - only using the lee for throwing the lead and then crimping Normally then finish of with a rto which gives a superb looking factory finish Regards Graham Same here....even when I use the MEC range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 yep, also note that at one point there were 2 bushing drop charts for mecs. one from hodgdon, thats about 1 grain light per drop, and mec drop chart that is one bushing different. ie bushing 23 drops the weight of bushing 22. always use a scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyhunter Posted December 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 i hve had conformation from the Americans that im safe and following the alliant powders recepies ( which i am doing) is safe as the loads they state have been extensivley tested and its safe to use the claybusters insead of the Remingtons as long as i stay within the powder limits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 i just couldnt really say if any of those wads were any good. you may in the future, check out gualandi wads. they are exellent. and they are available in this country. the other thing i`m mildly confused on, why the red dot? vectan AS is just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) The claybuster wads are fine, I have shot them for years and no problems(outside the litter) I know cheddite hulls produce less pressure/velocity than my AA tapered hulls but I find that 17 grains RD gives me a very pleasant shooting game load. Before I discovered 21 gram loads I shot 1 oz for quite a while. You may find there are powders out there that have slower burn rates that kick a bit less than RedDot-----700X/ Green Dot etc. Edited December 9, 2012 by coyotemaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren north east Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 I've used the same recipe with various wads all work great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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