Some FAC Airgun questions

[scotslad]

Apologies if this has be done to death afore but i'm pretty new to this site, i have flicked throu and searched throu a lot of old topics and not really found answers to a couple off questions .

I was brought up with springers but havnae really used 1 for years now as usually use .22lr or shotgun, at my last renewal they granted a space for a .22 FAC Airgun as i hate the richocets u can get with the 22 sub's and thought a fac 22 would be a useful tool for rabbits where the 22lr is not really suited

 

 

 

1 I'm not overly bothered about any 1 make or an other but i've read some aiguns have valves (electronic switch in new daystate?) so u can have 2 power settings.Wot is the point in this? Also I take it this will affect ur zero/POI so are u running with dial in ballistic turret scopes set for the 2 diffrent powers

 

2 I realise actual power can be varied and will depend on personal preference/use but 30ft/lbs seems to be a sort of standard for a .22. At 30ftlbs roughly how many accurate shots should u get out off 1 fill, and does this solely depend on the size off buddy bottle/resivoir or does gun make/model make any difference to shots per fill. Is it possible/practical to use a stirrup pump to keep an FAC airgun going, i looked into pcp guns years ago and was nowhere to charge them locally

 

3 I've read a lot about FAC guns being for sale fairly cheaply i've yet to see any that i'd calll cheap wot sort of money should u be able to pick a complete set up for and is there a better time off year for getting bargins, i've been keeping my eye out for a while but all seem pretty dear to me.

 

4 this probably should be in ballistics but has anyone tried using CCCI shorts, meant to be a low powered 22lr round thats supposed to be equivalent to around 30ftlbs, some gunshops say should be ideal, while others have a view that will richocet worse than standard subs as still a 40ish grain bullet only travelleing even slower, so loopier trajectory as well, but very few places stock them and never heard of anyone actually usng them. It would be a cheaper option if the rounds work as will pick up 2nd scoped 22lr's for 50 odd quid quite easily that wil do the job

 

Cheers in advance

[Salop Matt]

Hi, hopefully I can help a little:

 

1)Yes daystate now do rifles with electron triggers and 2 power settings. Change the power and yes you would need to re zero. The advantages of it is 1 rifle doing 2 jobs....such as low power for in barns and cattle sheds shooting ferals without doing damage and high power for rabbit shooting and up hill crow / squirrel shooting etc without the cost of 2 guns.

 

2)Shots per fill.....Well that as you say is completely based on the cylinder size. My daystate huntsman clasic is .22 30ftlb and gives me 25-30 shots (I recharge at 30shots) but only use 30 shots when target shooting, normaly 10-15 shots is all i do in a session so no need for big shot counts. Yes a stirup pump can be used but life is so much easiler with a bottle !

 

3)FAC air rifles start from I would say £400 upwards ! I Paid just over £700 for my daystate brand new, i chose my wood and have a warrenty with it and its brillient and got rid of my .22lr in favor of the .22 FAC air.

 

4)Ive never tried the CCI shorts or the CB`s but ive only herd bad things about them being very inaccurate ! Wouldnt bother with them myself !

 

ATB

 

Matt

[kent]

Apologies if this has be done to death afore but i'm pretty new to this site, i have flicked throu and searched throu a lot of old topics and not really found answers to a couple off questions .

I was brought up with springers but havnae really used 1 for years now as usually use .22lr or shotgun, at my last renewal they granted a space for a .22 FAC Airgun as i hate the richocets u can get with the 22 sub's and thought a fac 22 would be a useful tool for rabbits where the 22lr is not really suited

 

 

 

1 I'm not overly bothered about any 1 make or an other but i've read some aiguns have valves (electronic switch in new daystate?) so u can have 2 power settings.Wot is the point in this? Also I take it this will affect ur zero/POI so are u running with dial in ballistic turret scopes set for the 2 diffrent powers

 

2 I realise actual power can be varied and will depend on personal preference/use but 30ft/lbs seems to be a sort of standard for a .22. At 30ftlbs roughly how many accurate shots should u get out off 1 fill, and does this solely depend on the size off buddy bottle/resivoir or does gun make/model make any difference to shots per fill. Is it possible/practical to use a stirrup pump to keep an FAC airgun going, i looked into pcp guns years ago and was nowhere to charge them locally

 

3 I've read a lot about FAC guns being for sale fairly cheaply i've yet to see any that i'd calll cheap wot sort of money should u be able to pick a complete set up for and is there a better time off year for getting bargins, i've been keeping my eye out for a while but all seem pretty dear to me.

 

4 this probably should be in ballistics but has anyone tried using CCCI shorts, meant to be a low powered 22lr round thats supposed to be equivalent to around 30ftlbs, some gunshops say should be ideal, while others have a view that will richocet worse than standard subs as still a 40ish grain bullet only travelleing even slower, so loopier trajectory as well, but very few places stock them and never heard of anyone actually usng them. It would be a cheaper option if the rounds work as will pick up 2nd scoped 22lr's for 50 odd quid quite easily that wil do the job

 

Cheers in advance

Shorts proved is inaccurate as to render them useless view against a 12ft lb air gun in my CZ, there have always been reports of barrel blockages using low powered rounds, so take great care if you take this path. There are two ways of going FAC IMO lowish power cheap springer like a HW80 at around 18ftlb or a pcp buddy bottle type at around 30ft lb. Forget the electronics and big ticket prices just buy a secondhand FAC rapid or a HW80 its a niche gun and used FAC air is cheaper than the same in FAC by some margin. My rapid mk 1 did about 50 but through tuning I could have got more- just didn't need that many!

[Rimfireboy]

Try Remington cbee hollowpoints. 33 grain. Says 40 fpe on the box but I found them to be mid 50's fpe. You can shoot 50-60 yards with them no problem. Much more accurate than the cb longs and their ilk. They're full length lr's with a reduced charge ane they expand really well too. Only problem is, they can still be too powerful for some situations where FAC air would be better suited.

[peek-at]

1 I'm not overly bothered about any 1 make or an other but i've read some aiguns have valves (electronic switch in new daystate?) so u can have 2 power settings.Wot is the point in this? Also I take it this will affect ur zero/POI so are u running with dial in ballistic turret scopes set for the 2 diffrent powers

My Air Arms S410 Xtra Fac also has adjustable power. Good for shooting shorter distances (barns etc) or to give a greater shot count per fill.

You dont need to re-zero..... just do some target shooting at varying distances until you find where the zero is of your second power setting. Mine is at 50yds on full power and 30yds when at half power.....

 

2 I realise actual power can be varied and will depend on personal preference/use but 30ft/lbs seems to be a sort of standard for a .22. At 30ftlbs roughly how many accurate shots should u get out off 1 fill, and does this solely depend on the size off buddy bottle/resivoir or does gun make/model make any difference to shots per fill. Is it possible/practical to use a stirrup pump to keep an FAC airgun going, i looked into pcp guns years ago and was nowhere to charge them locally

Totally depends on the rifle and air resevoir, but you can get regulators fitted which gives better shot count and consistency in shots (ie power does not gradually drop off)

3 I've read a lot about FAC guns being for sale fairly cheaply i've yet to see any that i'd calll cheap wot sort of money should u be able to pick a complete set up for and is there a better time off year for getting bargins, i've been keeping my eye out for a while but all seem pretty dear to me.

 

I would guess you will need a budget of at least £500 for a used complete set up. If you want new, expect to be looking at £700 and up just for rifle & scope.....Plus air cylinder!

 

 

Edited January 6, 2013 by peek-at

[Dekers]

Try Remington cbee hollowpoints. 33 grain. Says 40 fpe on the box but I found them to be mid 50's fpe. You can shoot 50-60 yards with them no problem. Much more accurate than the cb longs and their ilk. They're full length lr's with a reduced charge ane they expand really well too. Only problem is, they can still be too powerful for some situations where FAC air would be better suited.

 

I've never used these, actually I don't think I have ever seen them, they may be useful in some situations but I guess they will not be easy to find!

[Rimfireboy]

 

 

I've never used these, actually I don't think I have ever seen them, they may be useful in some situations but I guess they will not be easy to find!

 

Maybe they aren't popular because people don't know about them. They stock them at belper tackle and field and stream Ashbourne. Don't know about availability in other areas though but I reckon they're worth asking for if you need a reduced .22 load. They carry a bit more clout than your average FAC air though. Definitely worth a try IMO.

[scotslad]

Cheers boys foe the advice cleared up a few questions.

I will try and get hold off some of those Chee hollow points, althou the gun shops in my area arenae great for stuff like that, which to be fair won't be a popular round. How do u find them for bouncing? As that's my biggest fear/problem with the .22lr and the whole idea behind getting a fac airgun.. cheers

[Rimfireboy]

Cheers boys foe the advice cleared up a few questions.

I will try and get hold off some of those Chee hollow points, althou the gun shops in my area arenae great for stuff like that, which to be fair won't be a popular round. How do u find them for bouncing? As that's my biggest fear/problem with the .22lr and the whole idea behind getting a fac airgun.. cheers

 

The cbee hollowpoints aren't too bad in that respect. I think they're constructed to expand and break up quiet easily. They have slits cut into the truncated cone bullet to aid expansion. I fired some into soft sand so I could examine them and they did expand well. More than I'd expected really.

[jackinbox99]

Compared to buying and running a 22lr you`ll find air rifles are very expensive.

 

In general you do tend to see FAC versions of air rifles cheaper than their non FAC version but even so you can be lookin at £500 for a half decent 2nd hand setup.