Jim c Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 hi just got my fac back after putting in for a variation and im unsure weather im on an open ticket now? what would it say if its a closed ticket? Wouldnt it say i can shot land the fao officer says ? As mine says shall be used on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot Can any one help thanks jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 If it doesn't mention anything about inspected by police or approved for rifles of that calibre then I assume it is BUT ask some like Lancs say (open-experienced) or (closed - novice) other areas are different though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) This is an 'open' certificate. A closed one usually says 'over land deemed suitable by the Chief of police in that area' or 'over XXX farm/land'. As it is, you may shoot over any land you have lawful authority to shoot over. Edited January 12, 2013 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Yes, your's is now 'open'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Mine was open from day one. I'd say yours sounds like an open cert but you could always ring and check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim c Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 lovely thanks guys that makes life alot easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMMER BURT Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 lovely thanks guys that makes life alot easier deffo open ticket as yours says same as mine ,mine was closed ticket for the first 5 years though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 hi just got my fac back after putting in for a variation and im unsure weather im on an open ticket now? what would it say if its a closed ticket? Wouldnt it say i can shot land the fao officer says ? As mine says shall be used on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot Can any one help thanks jim sorry to jump on your post,i just got mine ,and it says,the 22rf and 22rf ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and ground game and for zeroing on ranges,or land deemed suitible by the chief officer of police for the area were the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot, so this is close i take it cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim c Posted January 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ^ yes mate yours is closed any land needs to be cleared by your fao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ^ yes mate yours is closed any land needs to be cleared by your fao cheers jim c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ^ yes mate yours is closed any land needs to be cleared by your fao Or any other force if its not in the same area pertaining to the issue of your licence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ...and whilst we are at it and we all have an understanding of what Open or Closed means, in this politically correct age we are being moved to the terms Restricted and Unrestricted! I wonder how much they paid some marketing company for that gem, and what for? :hmm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Basically open doesn't place any restrictions on where you can shoot. Semi-closed says 'land cleared by the chief of police' Truly closed would be 'land belonging to Mr Farmer Giles' Semi-closed allows you to shoot other land so long as you are sure it has been cleared (eg a friends permission). The bit about 'lawful authority to shoot' is rubbish because you couldn't use any firearm if you didn't! Some forces have everyone treated like an adult and give 'open' certs to all FAC holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It amazes me that someone with an FAC doesn't understand the content of it. This happens with alarming regularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 ...and whilst we are at it and we all have an understanding of what Open or Closed means, in this politically correct age we are being moved to the terms Restricted and Unrestricted! I wonder how much they paid some marketing company for that gem, and what for? :hmm: I believe that Lancashire have this covered now as they used to print just "Open" but now they print "Open - Experienced"! I have to admit that I agree with the previous post by DaveK, FAC holders really ought to be able to understand the conditions on their tickets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim c Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It amazes me that someone with an FAC doesn't understand the content of it. This happens with alarming regularity. It's not that I didn't understand its that I was just double checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It amazes me that someone with an FAC doesn't understand the content of it. This happens with alarming regularity. I would tend to agree, it is obviously very important the holder should understand any terms/conditions on their FAC. I have a slight niggle at the back of my mind though, many regions invent phrases and apply conditions in strange ways and I'm sure this can lead to confusion, I am not defending anyone here, because if anyone is not 100% sure what their FAC says they should ask their region, but inconsistancy of terminology or even application of Firearms Law nationally doesn't help! For instance, Frenchieboy above, Open and Open Experienced PRINTED? That's a new one to me, what exactly does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I believe that Lancashire have this covered now as they used to print just "Open" but now they print "Open - Experienced"! I have to admit that I agree with the previous post by DaveK, FAC holders really ought to be able to understand the conditions on their tickets! Hi Frenchieboy, as my post above, what on earth is this about, Open, Open Experienced, and are you saying this is Printed on the FAC? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Another thing to be remembered its the calibre and rifle in question that is unrestricted(opened) and not just the conditions of the FAC. A future variation may well be of a close condition even though other existing rifles are on an open condition. This is usually the case when going from a rimfire to a centrefire, but as always its postcode dependant as with mentoring etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 It's not that I didn't understand its that I was just double checking. Forgiven then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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