armsid Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 iagree that benifits should be looked at,but we should also look at all the non job degrees being taught at uni.people get adegree in flower arranging and think they can get ajob earning 50k! this is due to all the hype we see ontv. etc and these people think they should have this wage.all due to media hype .that is why they go on benifits and turn down jobs that they say are below their "skill level".iserved my time as an apprentice in BMC (morris engines )and enjoyed it.most firms dont have apprentices as they see it as costly and don,t pay much more than dole,so why should some get up at 7amand go to workfor 5days for £1 per hour when their mates are playing on their x boxes and getting dole for dossing around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Dont think the "eastern europeans " are to blame for the minimum wage. Got two gangs of roofers subbing for me at the moment. One doesnt turn up if its likely to rain in the day, took the day off due to a beer up the night before etc. the other on the same pay are there bang on. Guess which is which and who gets the next £22ks worth of work? if you live on minimum wage surely 20 superkings and four tinnies are a luxury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Simple solution to this, STOP BENEFITS and have a points system for immigration. The homegrown scroungers will be forced out of bed to make a living and only have immigrants that are worth having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Despite a lot of people assuming the Eastern Europeans are here just to claim benefits, I would say the majority are here to work. Our minimum wage is miles better than the vast majority of the better paid jobs back home. Of course the only way they can survive here is to steal all the scrap and live off poached swan and carp. (And people will think that is true) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Despite a lot of people assuming the Eastern Europeans are here just to claim benefits, I would say the majority are here to work. Our minimum wage is miles better than the vast majority of the better paid jobs back home. Of course the only way they can survive here is to steal all the scrap and live off poached swan and carp. (And people will think that is true) I work with around 6 polish and Latvian, they work but they are always enquiring to my boss if they could work less hours so that they can get benefits to top up there part time hours. But I agree they are hard workers but so would our own lot of people if the benefits stopped and had to work to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 oh and I would rather my tax went to someone on benefit than to support a scumbag paying low wages KW They are exactly the same thing! Anyway, if you work out the hourly rate a lot of small business owners are on a lot less than the minimum wage. Stick it up to £10 an hour and watch the unemployment figures rocket! Stop the taxman raping businesses and they will be able to employ more people on better wages and cut the welfare bill in half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 somebody once said dont ask me who "to make the rich work harder pay them more to make the poor work harder pay them less" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Simple solution to this, STOP BENEFITS and have a points system for immigration. So widespread poverty/homelessnes is the sensible solution? With all the connected crime... Time to reform your grand plan Edited January 16, 2013 by guest1957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I work with Romanians at times, they put most natives to shame. Must admit that one was claiming UK child benefit for his kids back home which to me is bonkers. But that is our stupid rules rather than his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) stopping benefits completely would result in a massive crime wave i think, Edited January 16, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fella Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 stopping benefits completely would result in a massive crime wave i think, Would save the NHS a fortune in surgery to remove sofas from the backsides of the scroungers though. Drug test those on benefits. Pay benefits in food vouchers which can't be spent on alcohol or traded with others. Those who can't keep a council property in a fit condition, get a downsizing and benefit reduction. Keep minimum wage as it is, and those that prove they work a full time week get subsidised rent. Call it as communistic as you like, it'd gee up some of the lazy ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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