Dekers Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ok, there is a suggestion that Warfarin is now banned for use on the Grey, I am not aware of this, can someone please confirm if, and when, this happened, and under what legislation. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Manner of use 3. Each of those poisons may be used for that purpose inside a building in any part of England and Wales in such a manner that all reasonable precautions are taken to prevent injury by the poison to dogs, cats, fowls or other domestic animals and wild birds. Specification of poisons 2. Warfarin (3-(a-acetonylbenzyl)-4-hydroxycoumarin) and the soluble salts of warfarin, in each case distributed evenly over a bait comprising whole grains of wheat at a concentration of not more than 0.02 per cent. weight of warfarin for weight of bait, are hereby specified as poisons for use for the purpose of destroying grey squirrels. http://www.legislati...4/contents/made Edited January 23, 2013 by m2tyj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Manner of use 3. Each of those poisons may be used for that purpose inside a building in any part of England and Wales in such a manner that all reasonable precautions are taken to prevent injury by the poison to dogs, cats, fowls or other domestic animals and wild birds. Specification of poisons 2. Warfarin (3-(a-acetonylbenzyl)-4-hydroxycoumarin) and the soluble salts of warfarin, in each case distributed evenly over a bait comprising whole grains of wheat at a concentration of not more than 0.02 per cent. weight of warfarin for weight of bait, are hereby specified as poisons for use for the purpose of destroying grey squirrels. http://www.legislati...4/contents/made Ok, cheers for that, but that says you CAN use Warfarin, apparently there is a suggestion you CAN'T now! Has there been subsequent legislation? Edited January 23, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 The Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (Lord Donoughue) My Lords, grey squirrels cause extensive damage to broadleaved trees in Britain and have to be controlled in some areas. At present, Warfarin is recommended as the most cost-effective way of controlling them. However, Warfarin cannot be used where there are red squirrels. In those areas, trapping is recommended. Warfarin's use in grey squirrel control is currently authorised under pesticides legislation designed to protect people and the environment. However, the compound is under review in the European Union as part of a programme which puts the onus on companies to provide safety data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) The use of warfarin to control grey squirrels is illegal unless the provisions of Grey Squirrel Order 1973 are observed. This product must only be used outdoors in Scotland or the following counties of England & Wales subject to the conditions below: The relevant counties are (pre-1974 boundaries): • Cumberland • East Suffolk • Flint • Westmorland • Isle of Wight • Merioneth • Anglesey • Northumberland • Cardigan • Durham • Caernarvon • Montgomery • Lancashire • Denbigh • Carmarthen • Norfolk Approved for use in N. Ireland. a) Users must follow the guidance detailed in the Forestry Commision document available from Conservancy offices of the Forestry Commission document entitled 'Grey Squirrel Liquid Concentrate (Warfarin). Conditions for Extension of Permitted Use for Tree Protection'. B) Use must only occur where the Forestry Commission information indicates that red squirrel populations are known not to occur. c) A selective access hopper must be used confirming to the specifications described in the Forestry Commission Practice Note 4 'Controlling Grey Squirrel Damage to Woodlands'. Under the terms of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, this product must not be used outdoors in England, Wales and Scotland where red squirrels occur. A maximim of 4kg of bait per hopper must not be exceeded. 10kg CODE: SQBAIT10KG this is uptodate of this website selling warfin http://www.pestcontr...products_id=489 Edited January 23, 2013 by m2tyj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I appreciate the input, are you a politician? Warfarin is legal and not banned then, but only available to use under certain conditions, as virtually all poisons are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 For use only between March 15 - August 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin g Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 http://www.killgerm.com/product-group.php?group=920 Phone kilgerm up and they will advise you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 DEFRA are still stating that warfarin is still permitted for use on squirrels under the 1973 order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 DEFRA are still stating that warfarin is still permitted for use on squirrels under the 1973 order. Appreciate, that was my understanding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Looks like the information given to me by the Welsh forestry warden was incorrect or maybe I just heard it wrong, apologies and I will have a word with said warden to see what the hell he was muttering on about. He addressed a meeting of about twenty people with this incorrect info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Looks like the information given to me by the Welsh forestry warden was incorrect or maybe I just heard it wrong, apologies and I will have a word with said warden to see what the hell he was muttering on about. He addressed a meeting of about twenty people with this incorrect info. Nationally/Governmentally it would appear it is not banned. Who knows about any specific organisation/company/landowner/etc, if it's their land they I guess they can tighten up the rules if they want and ban whatever they like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Surely a .22 dose of lead is a more certain and more selective cure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Surely a .22 dose of lead is a more certain and more selective cure Possibly, but that wasn't the question, and there is plenty of land/sites where shooting is not an option! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Surely a .22 dose of lead is a more certain and more selective cure May be fun but hardly efficient or cost effective though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Ok, there is a suggestion that Warfarin is now banned for use on the Grey, I am not aware of this, can someone please confirm if, and when, this happened, and under what legislation. Cheers No still get gray squirel bait for tree protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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