Anonymouslemming Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 So following on from my semi / OU for DTL post, I'm looking at a Lanber Sporting Deluxe or a Bettinsoli Xtrail (like http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Bettinsoli_Shotgun_Xtrail_For-Sale_110412114019001) I'm not going to get a chance to try these options before buying, but I know to get fit checked. Beyond fit and comfort, are there any real technical differences between these guns that should point me to one over the other? It will only be used for clays / trap shooting, no pigeons or anything else. I'd normally be putting 28gm Kent Velocity (fibre wads) through it. Thanks in advance, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Lanber made in Spain, Bettinsoli made in Italy, different styles design and handling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 My father has a lanber semi auto and its very simple to strip and clean etc and he has had no problems at all. I have a bettinsoli and have had no probs either. only thing I can add is that the lanber feels very light to me and I would prefer a heavier gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 My father has a lanber semi auto and its very simple to strip and clean etc and he has had no problems at all. I have a bettinsoli and have had no probs either. only thing I can add is that the lanber feels very light to me and I would prefer a heavier gun. How heavy is a Bettinsoli? One of the only criticisms of the Lanber is that it's quite a heavy gun. Beretta's are featherlight in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 bettinsoli - 7.3/4lb lanber semi auto - 6.28lb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 bettinsoli - 7.3/4lb lanber semi auto - 6.28lb The OP mentioned the Sporting Deluxe - that's a 7.5lb o/u? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 The OP mentioned the Sporting Deluxe - that's a 7.5lb o/u? 7lb 10 oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) 7lb 10 oz Make me a liar over 2 ounces then... (If that - with longer barrel lengths etc) In any case, not exactly too light, is it? Edited February 4, 2013 by Mikaveli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 When I bought mine I didn't even look at brands or weights etc as my method was to lift around ten guns at around budget and first off tried for best fits and then best feeling to mount etc, Then when I had narrowed it down to 3-4 guns that ticked the 1st two boxes I bought the one that I liked the look of most, I didn't know what weight it was until you asked the question and I googled it lol. To me if a gun fits, feels good and looks gun to you then thats all you can ask for as I'm a firm beleiver in cleaning and oiling my gun will keep it great for another lot of years weight is not important if it feels ok to the buyer as every man is build different with differnt strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I don't really think that there is going to be much technical difference between the Lanber and the Bettinsoli, they are both built to a price at the VFM end of the scale and perform perfectly for their market. I have had my first shotgun, a 1981 Lanber sporter for about a year now and it hasn't missed a beat. I keep telling myself to upgrade but the gun fits perfectly and I can hit things with it so whats the point! I would buy what you want.......a Lanber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Thanks all - I'm a little worried about the weight and the recoil, moving from a softy semi to an OU, but spec-wise, it looks like these guns are much of a muchness. I'll keep an eye out until I see one I like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Thanks all - I'm a little worried about the weight and the recoil, moving from a softy semi to an OU, but spec-wise, it looks like these guns are much of a muchness. I'll keep an eye out until I see one I like A heavier gun absorbs more felt recoil - talk to any game hunter with a lightweight SBS. They won't do 100 clays with the same gun (usually). Recoil's not too bad - you've always got the option of fitting a recoil pad or even ... using lighter cartridges. At a lot of clay grounds, you'll hit as much with 24g as you would with 28... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 A heavier gun absorbs more felt recoil - talk to any game hunter with a lightweight SBS. They won't do 100 clays with the same gun (usually). Recoil's not too bad - you've always got the option of fitting a recoil pad or even ... using lighter cartridges. At a lot of clay grounds, you'll hit as much with 24g as you would with 28... I definitely plan to by a few 24g cartridges with whatever O/U I go with for testing. If I'm happy with the outcome, I'll buy more. No point in getting rid of the 28g ones though as I'll still use them through the semi and potentially a pump in the future, just for giggles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I definitely plan to by a few 24g cartridges with whatever O/U I go with for testing. If I'm happy with the outcome, I'll buy more. No point in getting rid of the 28g ones though as I'll still use them through the semi and potentially a pump in the future, just for giggles One advantage with the Lanber is it's 1320 bar proof - meaning you can put up to 3" 66g carts through it. Not being a semi, it's also a lot happier with low gram carts (21 & 24 etc.) so it gives you a wide choice. I don't think you'll find the recoil a problem though - if you're mounting the gun right, it's pretty tame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 The lanber and the betinsoli follow the same basic design, barrel mounted on stub pins in the italian style/ permanently sprung ejectors/inertia trigger etc The italian gun making industry generally has better reputation than the Spanish, however the betinsoli is the bargain basement of italian industry and the lanber is well made and respected and i suspect that anyone (other than perhaps betinsoli owner) would tell you that the Lanber is the better quality gun. I have heard of quite a number of failures with Betinsoli over unders including not resetting for the second shot, and others double discharging and while it is alleged that they have got their issues sorted i'm not yet convinvced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Purely as a personal opinion, my Lanber feels better quality than the few Bettinsoli's that I have handled. I have had it 5 years now and it still feels like new, never had a single issue with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 just got lanber field delux,new havent used it yet,i dont do clays so this is for pheasants an duck an pigeons when i feel like a change from the sa,i chose the lanber cos its lighter than bettinsolli,my mate says it fits him better than his sil pig 12g.but not a lot of difference between the 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Out of the two I would choose the lanber, the bettinsoli have a reputation for rusting if not well cared for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Surely all firearms should be well cared for which would stop rusting and more importantly keep the gun in top condition, If you want a gun that you dont want to maintain then buy a baikal. Google any gun followed by problems and you will find someone has problems with most of them, I suggest that you buy either depending on what you fancy the most. p.s only thing I'd change with mine is I would prefer 28" barrels better than my 30". Edited February 5, 2013 by Mr Rizzini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Yes they should but the fact is lots are not . And if they are looked after or not I would still prefer one that is more corrosion resistant . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Doesn't the Bettinsoli have chrome lined barrels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Went and had a look at a Lanber today - http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Lanber_Shotgun_Sporting-Delux_For-Sale_130104153655001 I'm some kind of weirdly built freak and like many guns I've tried, it's too short for me. I had the sales guy at the gun shop look me over, and he agreed with me. So I'll need to keep looking around. The only plus side to come out of this was that the Winchester SXP I was drooling over was also too short, so I managed to escape the store without buying that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 If it's too short just have a longer recoil pad put on, applies to any gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouslemming Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 If it's too short just have a longer recoil pad put on, applies to any gun Are recoil pads specific to the gun, or can they be bought online for self-fitting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Doesn't the Bettinsoli have chrome lined barrels? Yes , but that does not stop the outside of them rusting ! Edited February 7, 2013 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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