jweaver Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Today i took delivery of my Hatsan MP Tactical pump and am really happy..... But it didnt come with a Muzzle Cap or Flash Surpressor as shown on the Hatsan.tr website. Now in truth this wasnt a surprise as Edgar Bros stated somewhere that it wasnt provided in the UK. But i have seen a few suppliers who state that it is (probably copy/pasting from Hatsans web site) provided. Instead i got a set of chokes wich is fine and certainly more useful.. But I am curious why.. Is a Flash Surpressor illegal? Why dont they supply the UK market with them. I was also surprised that there are no mounts for a sling.. Again, i wonder if this has any legal impications. Can anyoe shed any light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Slings perfectly legal, flash suppressor not illegal AFAIK but not really necassary now is it...... Too much CoD me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JONAH898 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 The flash hider they show is the door breaching one and only comes on those sold in the USA and are sold as fixed choke, my dad had the same with the chokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted February 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Slings perfectly legal, flash suppressor not illegal AFAIK but not really necassary now is it...... Too much CoD me thinks Just as i thought.. I know its not needed, but i ike the way it looks.. As for the COD comment.. I am saying nothing I found a review of the MP Semi and they mentioned the lack of swivels.. Clearly they dont provide them for the UK market. Shame, as i ordered a sling... The flash hider they show is the door breaching one and only comes on those sold in the USA and are sold as fixed choke, my dad had the same with the chokes No.. They show the muzzle cap and flash suppressor as standard and the door breaching attachment as an option: http://www.hatsan.com.tr/escort_mp.asp Edited February 26, 2013 by jweaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Just as i thought.. I know its not needed, but i ike the way it looks.. As for the COD comment.. I am saying nothing I found a review of the MP Semi and they mentioned the lack of swivels.. Clearly they dont provide them for the UK market. Shame, as i ordered a sling... No.. They show the muzzle cap and flash suppressor as standard and the door breaching attachment as an option: http://www.hatsan.com.tr/escort_mp.asp The description also states "Fixed cylinder choke 18" (46 cm) or 20" (51 cm) slug barrel for shot or slugs." So not section 2 and in multi shot would be section 5! Edited February 26, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted February 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 The description also states "Fixed cylinder choke 18" (46 cm) or 20" (51 cm) slug barrel for shot or slugs." So not section 2 and in multi shot would be section 5! So is that the legal answer. Flash Hiders make a gun a Section 5 weapon? Thats all i wanted to know. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) NO flash suppressor is legal a sub 24" barrel isnt on section 2.... What i was trying to illustrate is the description is not of what you have bought....... I am sure Edgars will sell you a suppressor r whether it fits the MC barrel is a different matter as the description is of a tru cylinder short barrel Edited February 26, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted February 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 NO flash suppressor is legal a sub 24" barrel isnt on section 2.... What i was trying to illustrate is the description is not of what you have bought....... I am sure Edgars will sell you a suppressor r whether it fits the MC barrel is a different matter as the description is of a tru cylinder short barrel Sorry.. I get what you are saying now.... And as you say, the guns which come with thr suppressor are short and therefore not section 2, and the longer (24") barrel probably cant take one anyway... Cheers.. I am not overly worried.. I wasnt expecting a suppressor anyway, but i am a little disappointed by the lack of swivels.. But yhats just a small point.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 America won't export flash hiders. They have some daft law about them potentially falling into the hands of undesireables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 America won't export flash hiders. They have some daft law about them potentially falling into the hands of undesireables. Hatstands come from Turkey................. A set of sling swivels wont cost much......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted February 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Hatstands come from Turkey................. A set of sling swivels wont cost much......... Going to speak to Edgar bros to see what they can offer regarding swivels.. as for Flash Hiders.. I am giving up with that idea.. I get it now that the barrel needs to be made to take one, and in the case of the 24" barrel supplied in the UK, its designed to take chokes.... I did hit a snag last night.. Gun only just fits in my safe, due to the pistol grap hitting the door.. I can get it to a position where I can shut the door, but not with the red dot scope on.. So It looks like I am going to have to fit/remove that, each time I use it... Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartph Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Jon Any chance of some cheeky pics of your new pump, I looked at an mp-a yesterday and it was very nice Is your cabinet a deep one or standard Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewy1984 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 "What you require is a Magazine cap with a swivel attachment. This can be ordered from your local stockist using the product code EDGAR-G6" Fron edgar brothers site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I know that Hatsan's are manufactured in Turkey, but it doesn't mean that they are supplied to the uk market from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Maybe because they expect everyone to fit the optional DOOR BUSTER attachment .... Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted March 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 "What you require is a Magazine cap with a swivel attachment. This can be ordered from your local stockist using the product code EDGAR-G6" Fron edgar brothers site That would work on the magazine cap end.. But there isn't a loop on the stock either, so no way to attach the other end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted March 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 As requested, here are some pictures. My safe is 9.5" front to back.. But its got a thick 2" door.. So I only have 7.5" of space, which means I have to put the Pump in at an angle to get the door to close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 does the red dot sight work on moving targets? would it not make you aim at a bird rather than giving it some lead?? had thought of fitting similar to my mossberg hushpower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartph Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Thanks Jon That's a sweet looking pump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted March 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 does the red dot sight work on moving targets? would it not make you aim at a bird rather than giving it some lead?? had thought of fitting similar to my mossberg hushpower Havn't shot it yet.. And in truth, I only added it because I think it looks "cool" In the real world I doubt if I will use it.. That said, you don't actually look through it.. You keep both eyes open and you get a red dot floating in space, so there reason to think that it wouldn't be excellent for moving targets as your view isn't impacted by the frame of the scope. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I know that Hatsan's are manufactured in Turkey, but it doesn't mean that they are supplied to the uk market from there. Tru but they are...... and have to go through Proof in the uk (CIP approved country proof process to be sold in the UK or other CIP market but not US) As for the red dot.... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/185552-redring-shotgun-sight/page__hl__redring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) Please please take the cartridges out of that gun if you are in the house - especially if you have kids.... Regards, Gixer Edited March 3, 2013 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Please please take the cartridges out of that gun if you are in the house - especially if you have kids.... Regards, Gixer They were only there for the photos.. Anyway, there are no risks.. Gun is always in a safe.. ANd I am the only person in the house (live alone, no kids).. But I don't see how cartridges held in the stock, are any different to a cartridge in a box next to the safe, or loose in a bag.. They arnt' actually "in" the gun! Infact, if someone wanted to load the gun, it would be easier for them to reach into my cartridge bag (next to the safe) and put one in, then try to get the ones out of the stock (which are fiddly). Edited March 4, 2013 by jweaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 They were only there for the photos.. Anyway, there are no risks.. Gun is always in a safe.. ANd I am the only person in the house (live alone, no kids).. But I don't see how cartridges held in the stock, are any different to a cartridge in a box next to the safe, or loose in a bag.. They arnt' actually "in" the gun! Infact, if someone wanted to load the gun, it would be easier for them to reach into my cartridge bag (next to the safe) and put one in, then try to get the ones out of the stock (which are fiddly). Sorry, wasn't being pedantic - but I happened to notice the other day that "Toys R' Us are selling a toy side by side shot gun that comes with cartridges - I have no problems with toy guns at all but I couldn't help but think how if a kid had this toy and was used to playing with it and was doing the usual kid things then they would go through the same act if they found "Dad's gun" lying with cartridges in close proximity and it really does send a shiver down my spine as I have two young kids.- I actually don't like toy guns in my housde as i have the real thing, I know 90% of owners are safe and lock them away but you always run the risk of a child getting hold of a gun at some point. I remember seeing a study on children and guns and apparently a high percentage of children when given a toy gun - the first thing they will do is point it at someone and pull the trigger or say "bang"....there have been more than a few instances of kids doing this to there brother/sister with a real gun unfortunatley.... Here's an example of a toy that is pretty close! - http://www.furfeatherandfin.com/product/293/qs04/toy-shotgun-collection.html Please do not take offense as none was meant - just a friendly bit of advice. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Please do not take offense as none was meant - just a friendly bit of advice. No offence taken.. I absoultely agree with you.. And if I had kids in the house, believe me I would be even more careful than I am today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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