Beretta06 Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I have been invited to shoot grice at Glenogil Estate in Scotland, has anyone ever shot there at all? Would appreciate any comments on quality of the birds, hospitality etc. Cheers Beretta 06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Has John Dodd asked you before he sees whether he has grouse or not for next season? That would be most unlike him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta06 Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I have been invited by my Company. I believe the days are being arranged through William Powell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 If there are any grouse next season at Glenogil you will be a lucky boy. The place is quite superb. Dodd has invested millions on his moor, notably in a deer fence which keeps out hundreds of red deer which would otherwise help to spread ticks. Last season was poor but the previous season was a record one. I am not sure of the exact figure but I believe that one day they shot over 300 brace with several over 200 brace and lots over 100 brace. You could say that Dodd's investment has paid off in a big way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta06 Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 My Company shot there year before last (thoroughly enjoyed it!!!) and have plans for 12, 13 August - 100 brace days. So, if all goes well, I will have two days of good sport from what you say :-) Best bonus I have ever received :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 i think i went for a interveiw their? is it a osborn moor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Very prestigious to shoot on the glorious twelfth but best days are in mid to late September Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Very prestigious to shoot on the glorious twelfth but best days are in mid to late September A 100 brace day in October would be the pinnacle of a shooting man's life I suspect. I have shot grouse on 1st December, four guns shot 30 brace and it was very very exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Not shot driven, but loaded for several years. The twelfth can be a great day if the weather is ok, not too warm and a wind but if calm and sunny the birds are not as challenging, a bit like the first time through on the pheasants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 If there are any grouse next season at Glenogil you will be a lucky boy. The place is quite superb. Dodd has invested millions on his moor, notably in a deer fence which keeps out hundreds of red deer which would otherwise help to spread ticks. Last season was poor but the previous season was a record one. I am not sure of the exact figure but I believe that one day they shot over 300 brace with several over 200 brace and lots over 100 brace. You could say that Dodd's investment has paid off in a big way. Would that have anything to do with a change of keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Would that have anything to do with a change of keeper No it was not as a result of a change in 'keeper. Grouse, being totally wild, are at the mercy of the elements (the nests may well be washed out) and what is called 'grouse disease' which may wipe the total poulation out if too many birds are left on the moor. This is normally associated with a worm burden which kills off grouse in their thousands. Grouse populations have always until recently been cyclical (six to seven year cycles) due to the worm burden but with the advent of medicated grit the cycles do now seem to be less boom and bust and are evening out. Some moors, after having a really spectacular season may not even shoot the following year as there may not be enough grouse to shoot. The ones that have been left to over winter may simply have died off due to disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 No it was not as a result of a change in 'keeper. Grouse, being totally wild, are at the mercy of the elements (the nests may well be washed out) and what is called 'grouse disease' which may wipe the total poulation out if too many birds are left on the moor. This is normally associated with a worm burden which kills off grouse in their thousands. Grouse populations have always until recently been cyclical (six to seven year cycles) due to the worm burden but with the advent of medicated grit the cycles do now seem to be less boom and bust and are evening out. Some moors, after having a really spectacular season may not even shoot the following year as there may not be enough grouse to shoot. The ones that have been left to over winter may simply have died off due to disease. But there was a change of keeper at the time you mention ? The worm issue would of been dealt with when they caught up birds and had a worm count surely ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 But there was a change of keeper at the time you mention ? The worm issue would of been dealt with when they caught up birds and had a worm count surely ? Grouse are not 'caught up' as pheasants are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Grouse are not 'caught up' as pheasants are. You sure , i was thinking you new what you were on about lol Edited March 5, 2013 by magman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumbrian top shot Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Glenogil is a osbourne run moor, he has a bit of a reputation for being ruthless on keepers but is very highly regarded and respected and is involved in alot of the big moors, I know one of the keepers there and it has been heavily invested in over the years by Mr Dodd as someone has already sais in a previous post and its certainly paying off it certainly is getting a reputation as one of the big moors to shoot over the border, lets hope this years weather is a bit kinder for those king of the gamebirds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciltalgarth Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 If there are any grouse next season at Glenogil you will be a lucky boy. The place is quite superb. Dodd has invested millions on his moor, notably in a deer fence which keeps out hundreds of red deer which would otherwise help to spread ticks. Last season was poor but the previous season was a record one. I am not sure of the exact figure but I believe that one day they shot over 300 brace with several over 200 brace and lots over 100 brace. You could say that Dodd's investment has paid off in a big way. Think you will find the only record that has been broken that year was at glen moy . Glenogil hasn't shot probably like magman said since the change of head keeper and 4 beat keepers left. Glenogil is a osbourne run moor, he has a bit of a reputation for being ruthless on keepers but is very highly regarded and respected and is involved in alot of the big moors, I know one of the keepers there and it has been heavily invested in over the years by Mr Dodd as someone has already sais in a previous post and its certainly paying off it certainly is getting a reputation as one of the big moors to shoot over the border, lets hope this years weather is a bit kinder for those king of the gamebirds. Your telling me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Sadly he has generated negative press for shooting in the past. Hopefully the operation has improved and you have a good time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 It is a truely amazing place, would love to win the lottery and have a day there. I dunno if u will be lucky enough to stay in the lodge above the head keepers house dunno wot it's like inside but looks beautiful from the outside with antlers right round it. Like walking back into victorian times i imagine when everything would be well maintained and spottless Think it was 4ish years ago they had a record breaking year (with the new keepering team) shot a lot off days, i was there for a couple off 400+ days plus a lot of smaller days still 100-300 brace so not small by scottish stanards. been poorish last few years but then again been snow lying up there into april/may time last few years. Doesn't help birds or burning It is the biggest set up i've ever been involved with hagg lunds, argo's plus a fleet off landy's all painted the same colour and washed every nite for the next shoot day. It's hard on the keepers up there but there is still a few good ones left. Magman i think wot ur on about 'catching' up grouse to dose them has only been legalised in scotland this year for the first time as they changed the general licence conditions. I wouldnae imagine the counts would be that high, (althou i don't know for sure but after the 2 lean years they've had) there is plenty of gritting stations up there and very well organised compared to other moors i have beat on. He does have a bad rep over that incident but i think he was still trying to fight/appeal it, read a very good interview by mr dodds about that and the moor in general was in some fancy mag that someone gave me. Ur a very lucky man, i'd cut an arm and leg off for a change like that. Enjoy it it will be a once in lifetime experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciltalgarth Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 It is a truely amazing place, would love to win the lottery and have a day there. I dunno if u will be lucky enough to stay in the lodge above the head keepers house dunno wot it's like inside but looks beautiful from the outside with antlers right round it. Like walking back into victorian times i imagine when everything would be well maintained and spottless Think it was 4ish years ago they had a record breaking year (with the new keepering team) shot a lot off days, i was there for a couple off 400+ days plus a lot of smaller days still 100-300 brace so not small by scottish stanards. been poorish last few years but then again been snow lying up there into april/may time last few years. Doesn't help birds or burning It is the biggest set up i've ever been involved with hagg lunds, argo's plus a fleet off landy's all painted the same colour and washed every nite for the next shoot day. It's hard on the keepers up there but there is still a few good ones left. Magman i think wot ur on about 'catching' up grouse to dose them has only been legalised in scotland this year for the first time as they changed the general licence conditions. I wouldnae imagine the counts would be that high, (althou i don't know for sure but after the 2 lean years they've had) there is plenty of gritting stations up there and very well organised compared to other moors i have beat on. He does have a bad rep over that incident but i think he was still trying to fight/appeal it, read a very good interview by mr dodds about that and the moor in general was in some fancy mag that someone gave me. Ur a very lucky man, i'd cut an arm and leg off for a change like that. Enjoy it it will be a once in lifetime experience Think you will find 4 years ago it wasnt the new keepering team.The new head keeper was appointed in May 2010 so any bags for that season carnt really be truly the new headkeepers work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Think you will find the only record that has been broken that year was at glen moy . Glenogil hasn't shot probably like magman said since the change of head keeper and 4 beat keepers left. Your telling me. millden has broken its records most years now......awsome place where keepers can roam free and wild lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Think you will find 4 years ago it wasnt the new keepering team.The new head keeper was appointed in May 2010 so any bags for that season carnt really be truly the new headkeepers work. So what your saying is that all the hard work put in by the previous head and under keepers was basically undone by a new gready keeper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 We used to go there with the hounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) Fair play citalagarth i didnae realise the old headkeeper was there till may, i knew it was his first season, but to be fair it really takes years for a new headkeeper/beatkeeper to truely put his mark on a moor/beat and be responsible for the returns (esp with grouse compared to pheasants). 2010 was a boom year for grouse all over scotland that season and esp in the angus glens, but since then there has been 2 off the coldest winters in generations and almost absent summers most moors have struggled to meet the highs off that season. There has been many moors that have not shot this year all over scotland and of the ones that did it has not been record breaking (apart from 1 in lothain) even 1 moor near to me that generally produces grouse year on year really struggled this year (by there high standards atleast) I heard the rest off the angus glens all struggled a bit this year and shot reduced days/bags to previous years Grouse wil be back in numbers at glenogil, nothing surer, They've done the hard work there (past and present), with the habitat, gritting and infrastructure. Possibly they also won't have the need financially to shoot to keep cash flow coming in that some estates may have and can leave extra on the ground? Must admit i would love to be taking ur place this Agust the 12th, I cannot think off many moors i'd rather be on. Edited March 6, 2013 by scotslad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciltalgarth Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 millden has broken its records most years now......awsome place where keepers can roam free and wild lol Lovely spot with a really good headkeeper thats been there a good few years now and looks after his lads well. So what your saying is that all the hard work put in by the previous head and under keepers was basically undone by a new gready keeper? yer just that paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciltalgarth Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Glenogil is in a lovely spot and yes Mr Dodd does spend money and puts a nice finish to everything he does. I'm sure you will be looked after and have a nice day,Its just a shame its being run like it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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