Dominicrobed Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Hello I have got a beretta AL391 urika and was juust wondering if anyone knows if it will be steel proofed ? Or how would i find out ? Sorry if this has been done before :-s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 If it is steel proof the proof marks will include the "fleur de llys" symbol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted March 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Ok brilliant thank you I will have a look , as soon as I have googled what it looks like lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 3 feathers...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 They are steel proofed, but not magnum steel proofed and they don't have the fluer de lys stamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 They are steel proofed, but not magnum steel proofed and they don't have the fluer de lys stamp. That I don't understand... It is either steel proof or not...if it is a 3" chamber it should be HP steel proof there are no special proof requirements for steel loads not classed as HP. BASC has a good article on its website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 It's all to do with CIP regulations. According to the CIP, Standard Steel cartridges can be fired through any gun proofed to the standard or magnum level for lead as long as it is choked appropriately. However high Performance steel can only be fired through guns that have the fluer de lys stamped on it. So bearing these regulations in mind Beretta state that any of its multichoke guns therefore are standard steel proofed as long as the choke in the end has SP stamped on it. But their fixed choke guns, using tighter than 1/2 choke or the old Mobilchoke pre SP stamp cannot be used for steel. The guns might well withstand the high performance steel but without the stamp it's against regulations. Seeing as Beretta have to pay extra to the proof house for the stamp they don't bother knowing you can still use standard steel without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 That I don't understand... It is either steel proof or not...if it is a 3" chamber it should be HP steel proof there are no special proof requirements for steel loads not classed as HP. BASC has a good article on its website. It doesnt have to be steel proofed if it has a 3" chamber. Steel proof is 1370 bar and there are plenty of 3" guns that are only proofed to 1200 bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 It has got a 3" chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 It has got a 3" chamber It will still be ok for standard steel with a 3" chamber just not HP steel. On the standard steel shot cartridge box it will just say "steel shot" this cartridge is ok through your gun. On HP steel shot box it will say "Only for use in weapons designed to fire steel shot cartridges and bearing the Steel Shot proof mark" this is not ok through your gun unless you have the 3 feathers mark on the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Beretta tend not to proof their guns and stamp them with the Fleur De Lys, but they are proof tested in Italy to 1370 (i think, might be 1390) bar which is the burst test proof for HP Steel and then marked accordingly. Interestingly, the Gamebore Mammoth 3" steel i used last year had a warning printed on them saying only to use them in guns with the FDL proof mark, the latest ones i have got have a different wording saying they should only be used in guns proofed to 1370 bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 you guys know far more than avalon guns i bought my beretta from them asked the question n they didnt know.thats great news if theyre proofed to 1370 bar .not that i fancy taking it on a marsh to dig mud with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Have a look at your proof marks and then compare them to the Italian proof house marks (google is your friend) to be sure. AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 It's all to do with CIP regulations. According to the CIP, Standard Steel cartridges can be fired through any gun proofed to the standard or magnum level for lead as long as it is choked appropriately. However high Performance steel can only be fired through guns that have the fluer de lys stamped on it. So bearing these regulations in mind Beretta state that any of its multichoke guns therefore are standard steel proofed as long as the choke in the end has SP stamped on it. But their fixed choke guns, using tighter than 1/2 choke or the old Mobilchoke pre SP stamp cannot be used for steel. The guns might well withstand the high performance steel but without the stamp it's against regulations. Seeing as Beretta have to pay extra to the proof house for the stamp they don't bother knowing you can still use standard steel without it. :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Beretta tend not to proof their guns and stamp them with the Fleur De Lys, The silver pigeon 1 sporter, my old 686 and xtrema 2 all had the fleur De Lys......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 mines a 686 whitewing no fleur de lyes but ive seen posts in wildfowling someones happily using steel no 3 through theirs .looks like im gonna be googling italien proof marks to be sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 mines a 686 whitewing no fleur de lyes but ive seen posts in wildfowling someones happily using steel no 3 through theirs .looks like im gonna be googling italien proof marks to be sure I shoot the biggest 3" steel loads avalible through a 3" chambered Remington 11-87 which is not steel shot proofed. I never had any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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