Pastiebap Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Gun safes are only to stop the casual thief and to slow down the determined thief. If someone really wants to steal your guns they'll knock on your door, shove a gun in your face and tell you to open the effin safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Gun safes are only to stop the casual thief and to slow down the determined thief. If someone really wants to steal your guns they'll knock on your door, shove a gun in your face and tell you to open the effin safe. Indeed as an RFD friend said to me the alarms and bars, locks etc mean nothing "if they come for the guns they'll knock the door and ask politely, not worth loosing your life or even knee caps over is it?" Gun cabinets are not designed to resist attack with tools....... Euro grade safes are and look at the cost difference EN1143-1 is a lot tougher than BS7558. Grade 1 Safe ( however similar size to a decent cabinet) http://www.thesafeshop.co.uk/products/chubb-sovereign-elite-grade-1-model-300e.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Indeed as an RFD friend said to me the alarms and bars, locks etc mean nothing "if they come for the guns they'll knock the door and ask politely, not worth loosing your life or even knee caps over is it?" Gun cabinets are not designed to resist attack with tools....... Euro grade safes are and look at the cost difference EN1143-1 is a lot tougher than BS7558. Grade 1 Safe ( however similar size to a decent cabinet) http://www.thesafeshop.co.uk/products/chubb-sovereign-elite-grade-1-model-300e.html ****, for £2000 I would expect an armed guard to be looking after my stuff Edited April 4, 2013 by LondonLuke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mda998 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Break where guns were used? or where the guns were the target of the burglars? Or just houses that happened to have guns in them that were broken into? no guns were used in the break ins,but guns were taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mda998 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 I am not a big fan of house alarms, I do not live in a particularly high crime rate area but half the houses around me have alarms, never had a burglary in living memory but the damn alarms go off, either in the middle of the night, every time we have a power cut, of which we have many, or when the damn householders are on holiday. Bloody things ! You can see I am not a fan, when they do go off everyone ignores them ! again for around £80 per year you have it maintained by the alarm company which covers you for 365 days 24hrs if you have it maintained you also get a certificate for your insurance company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottoj18 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 I also install alarms .. Wireless has come on so far in the last few years. To add an alarm to a house with out running cables everywhere or to a single room they are fantastic. If you are to get an alarm installed get one put in by a company, keep it serviced that way it's not going to go off at 2am and wake the whole street up.. How many of you with alarms set them at nite?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Avon and Somerset require additional security measures once you have more than 5 firearms, at least that's what I was told by my FEO when I moved here. yes thats what i was told, by my flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingdead Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) I also install alarms .. Wireless has come on so far in the last few years. To add an alarm to a house with out running cables everywhere or to a single room they are fantastic. If you are to get an alarm installed get one put in by a company, keep it serviced that way it's not going to go off at 2am and wake the whole street up.. How many of you with alarms set them at nite?? Yes, always do a night perimeter set. Edited April 4, 2013 by screamingdead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottoj18 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Yes, always do a night perimeter set. I'm always amazed at the amount of people that don't ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mda998 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) I also install alarms .. Wireless has come on so far in the last few years. To add an alarm to a house with out running cables everywhere or to a single room they are fantastic. If you are to get an alarm installed get one put in by a company, keep it serviced that way it's not going to go off at 2am and wake the whole street up.. ditto totally agree wireless is the way forward for little or no mess (batteries last over 2 years) on the systems we fit Edited April 5, 2013 by mda998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 What make of alarms do you guys recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Even though i havent got my sgc (see other topic lol) My gun cabinet in a seperate room which joins my bedroom,door is double locked,then pir alarm system fitted which goes off very shortly after you enter if you dont know the code Also fitted a large safe next to the gun cabinet for shotgun shells,just incase B) Wont be used for a while but its ready and waiting for the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoking gun Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 This is getting stupid the home office make the rules not the cop shop areas I find the law is being twisted to suit by the selected few people in charge to change what the law prescribes. If its 1, 3, 5, 12, 100s guns if one gets nicked it’s a loss to the owner and a gun to the underworld villains, who will use that gun for crime. Which in turn affect the laws of this Land? Are alarms a good thing when they go off do people who live around you do a thing about the alarm sounding I don’t think so. If they are going to take it they will, as for the alarm on the gun cabinet one bang with a hammer see’s that gone. I’ve worked a few years ago on security fittings to properties and you get three types of burglars the ones who take a chance, the ones who are semi professionals, and the professionals. The first two who would be put off by the alarm but the third would not and when he sees an alarm he thinks they have something good. The first two villains would be very aware to take a gun would get them a heavy sentence. A perfect example our local clay clubs been broken into a few times they take the cables for the traps, the batteries, and also take the cctv. But they never take the ammo. Wire up the cab to the power LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiedenny Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Devon & Donuts, I mean Cormwall have a 6 guns or more policy for alarms. It has to be on the cabinet or on the cupboard/room that the cabinet is in. They don't kick the a*se out of it and were perfectly happy with the £16 shed alarm from B&Q that I fitted. agree there are lots of cost effective solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottoj18 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 What make of alarms do you guys recommend? We use castle alarms.. Really good alarms. Battery's last 3years. You can have pet friendly sensors aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Alarms are cheap but their are a few problems as have been mentioned: pets set off pir's, magnetic contacts only work when their open and have seen thieves break into one panel or glass pane (usually on pvc doors/Windows), a alarm only does what it is I.e. alarm when it detects something outside parameters, no good if people ignore it. But on saying that every one should have one, if you were a thief where would you choose to break in? I also think they need to make installation easier for the average Joe for wired alarms, it's not that hard tbf but I am a sparks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottoj18 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 If alarms where made to easy, then cracking them would also be easy. Like door entry, all the manuals are available on the Internet so anyone can short out two terminals and pop the door ... door contacts are used but where a risk of a pannel being broken we can fit vibration sensors. Also placement of detectors is key so if a pannel was broken the alarm would pick them up .. Alarms are used as a deterrent not a means of catching people CCTV for that ... Most of the alarms we install are connected to our office and/or the police, homeowner. All the technology is there it's just finding the company to install it for you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Technology is there so are the work arounds...... It's a game of percentages...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mda998 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 i am also on certain fishing forums and have supplied alarm systems by post to secure peoples expensive carp fishing tackle,all they have done is sent me a rough plan of their house, i have programmed the whole system for them so all they do is litterally screw it all on the wall and enable the batteries then they are good to go,i also give my phone number out so they can contact me if required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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