colin lad Posted April 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 ok its irrelevant in terms of what he can shoot as if its not listed in 5 you can't shoot things listed in 7 Fox's are listed under pests that is fact with Colins license as it comes out of the same office as mine which most recently reads Pest control and Deer stalking, that includes foxes so doesn't matter about 7 that is just the expanding ammo blanket condition. If deer were on there then there is an additional line allowing the lawful shooting of deer under the ammo conditions as well as in number 5 would deer be covered in other wildlife?? as deer is wildlife colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 would deer be covered in other wildlife?? as deer is wildlife colin Yes, BUT, Other Wildlife is an expanding ammo condition not a quarry condition, you do not appear to have an AOLQ condition and you don't have a deer condition, and deer within ammunition, are commonly listed as deer, even with AOLQ condition. Frankly, I just don't know why all the regions can't use the same wording, and sing from the same Hymn Sheet, but they all want to do it their own way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Nope simply because that's what the expanding ammo can be used for not what you in theory can shoot. You'd be having to claim ignorance and you thought they were covered as pests, but its dodgy territory. If you asked the question they would clarify your options would then be an accompanied condition on deer till they got a letter saying you we're competent or dsc1 mine wanted both, it seems to depend on individuals in the office. Bearing in mind your day job you might just manage to get it added easily but that would be sensible. Just seen dekers post and I'll pop up a pic of my current ticket in the morning as that shows how it appears Edited April 8, 2013 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted April 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 thanks not really that worried was just asking i may ask about it for next season though we have plenty here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 its a mine field all this conditions lark... I have a 22lr and 17HMR...and i can purchase expanding for the lawful shooting of deer.... and vermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) its a mine field all this conditions lark... I have a 22lr and 17HMR...and i can purchase expanding for the lawful shooting of deer.... and vermin This is where things start to get really silly if you do not fully understand the conditions laid out on your FAC! I suspect that your FEO and the Court might have something rather harsh to say to you if they found you had been shooting deer with your .22LR or .17HMR (Not that I am suggesting for one minute that you would do such a thing) - And that would be after your certificate and rifles had been confliscated. While the "Expanding Ammunition" condition on your FAC might say (Or give the inpression) that your expanding ammunition can be used for shooting deer or heaven knows what (See condition 5 on my FAC). I think I (And anyone else come to that) would be in very serious brown smelly stuff if any of us were to get caught shooting any deer with a .22LR or a .17HMR! I guess that the difficult thing that some newcommers to F.A.C. conditions might find difficulties in understanding it the difference between a general "blanket" condition on expanding ammunition and the conditions laid out for each individual calibre or rifle that they have listed on their FAC and exactly what those individual rifles can be legally used to shoot (See conditions 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 on my conditions) I think we really do need to be very careful that the replies that we give on here do not misslead shooters into believing that they can shoot all sorts of things according to the "Expanding Ammunition Usage Condition" as opposed to what they are actually authorised to actually shoot for fear of them taking our words literally and getting themselves into serious trouble. We can all play "word games" but are we really doing anyone any favours by doing so? If anyone at all has any doubts about what they are or are not allowed to shoot (According to the conditions on their FAC) they should check it out and get clarification directly from their Firearms Office which would be much safer than just accepting how we "translate" things for them! Edited April 9, 2013 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Frenchieboy Very well put, I have been trying to get this across for years but never managed to do so as eloquently as you. I think half the problem is people read into expanding conditions what they wish to read rather than what the condition actually says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The expanding conditions really are irrelevant other than it gives you the ability to use them, Colin with Herts and Beds it would look like this if they had deer on there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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