Keith RW Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 Could some one tell me what is the least number of projectiles that are permitted in a shotgun cartridge before going section 1 Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 9 pieces of 8.4mm shot I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00buck Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 I think it's 5 I heard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 Firearms Act 1968, Part 1, Section 1, Para 4(a) "(a)cartridges containing five or more shot, none of which exceeds ·36 inch in diameter;" The law states a minimum number of projectiles The law also states a maximum dia. of shot size allowed in a S.2 cartridge The law does NOT state that the two criteria above must relate to the same cartridge: you could put one shot in the wad that was within max. legal dia, plus a few smaller sized shot to make the number up to minimum required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'd imagine a .36 ball correctly wadded would go well out of a .410? Stuff a few skeet pellets in behind it for good measure and to keep it legal?! Of course I doubt they would be all that accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith RW Posted April 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 Cheers guys, Just found some 410 info at paraklesetechnologies.com which is helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Deja-vu. Just had this discussion with a few other people at the weekend. Some were saying nine, some were saying five. As Saddler has pointed out the answer is 5. I lost! Nine seems to be a very common assumption on this question. I think it comes from the fact that commercial 00 buck ammo is loaded with nine so people assume that that either came about because of the way the law was worded or the law was worded to take acount of it. However!!!!! The discussion went on to a hypothetical situation. A slug is not a piece of shot. Shot is spherical and a slug is not. So, a 12ga shotgun cartridge containing a 1oz solid slug and 5 pieces of .36" diameter or smaller shot would be section 2, would it not? J. Edited April 23, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel100 Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 I wouldn't like to take that to court, Jonathan! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 I wouldn't like to take that to court, Jonathan! Andy Well, I did say it was a hypothetical! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted April 23, 2013 Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 Deja-vu. Just had this discussion with a few other people at the weekend. Some were saying nine, some were saying five. As Saddler has pointed out the answer is 5. I lost! Nine seems to be a very common assumption on this question. I think it comes from the fact that commercial 00 buck ammo is loaded with nine so people assume that that either came about because of the way the law was worded or the law was worded to take acount of it. However!!!!! The discussion went on to a hypothetical situation. A slug is not a piece of shot. Shot is spherical and a slug is not. So, a 12ga shotgun cartridge containing a 1oz solid slug and 5 pieces of .36" diameter or smaller shot would be section 2, would it not? J. Hello stranger Aye, a slug is NOT spherical so is not a piece of shot, but the fact that the diameter of it is twice that allowed by law would not go down well, irrespective of whatever shape the slug was; rifled, diablo, sub-caliber Suavestre "torpedo" or whatever... Glad nobody mentioned flechettes, oops... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 actually some slugs are spherical. its the olden day type though, usually just a big piece of lead. thats the olden day type. thesedays they have drag stabalised or foster type. thats why they have the shotsize limit too. i am betting , that putting a big round ball and 5 #10s shot in a casrtidge is a big, NO. why not ask your FEO? they are only there to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Hello stranger Aye, a slug is NOT spherical so is not a piece of shot, but the fact that the diameter of it is twice that allowed by law would not go down well, irrespective of whatever shape the slug was; rifled, diablo, sub-caliber Suavestre "torpedo" or whatever... Glad nobody mentioned flechettes, oops... But the diameter mentioned in the Act only applies to shot. I agree it wouldn't go down well but I'm not convinced you'd be convicted though. J. actually some slugs are spherical. its the olden day type though, usually just a big piece of lead. thats the olden day type. thesedays they have drag stabalised or foster type. thats why they have the shotsize limit too. i am betting , that putting a big round ball and 5 #10s shot in a casrtidge is a big, NO. why not ask your FEO? they are only there to help. It's a definite 'no' because the big round ball would be a piece of shot and, hence, if it were over .36" it would be illegal. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 But the diameter mentioned in the Act only applies to shot. I agree it wouldn't go down well but I'm not convinced you'd be convicted though. J. It's a definite 'no' because the big round ball would be a piece of shot and, hence, if it were over .36" it would be illegal. J. yup. i knew that from the offset, but the OP really should investigate via proper sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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