super sharp shooter Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 The Alliant website has loads of data for .410 but as you would expect only their products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 The Alliant website has loads of data for .410 but as you would expect only their products. Thanks for the lead. Don't know if I am missing them, but didn't see any subsonic loads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Umm I can't see any no got to you then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Why are you all so paranoid about 'SUBSONIC'? Most .410 are under 1100 fps! The following powders will give you lovely loads... Depending on lead load.....no need to go 'American'. Most of their powders are made in Belgium! I use Vectan A1, A0, PB Clermont, Maxam CSB0, and others. EDIT: missed out Tecna. Good for 12 - 14 grams. Edited May 11, 2013 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Why are you all so paranoid about 'SUBSONIC'? Most .410 are under 1100 fps! The following powders will give you lovely loads... Depending on lead load.....no need to go 'American'. Most of their powders are made in Belgium! I use Vectan A1, A0, PB Clermont, Maxam CSB0, and others. Too true most published loads only make approx 1125 when tested in a chrono with 16-19 grams Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Umm I can't see any no got to you then Thanks for trying anyway. Much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 no, i dont have any experience of .410 reloading. i dont have a .410. the sp3 data sheet does have some suitable data. certainly if you look at the data and read it, most loads come in at 1100fps thats almost subsonic.1050 is classed as subsonic. so check the data the main key to subsonic loads is finding the powder weight and shot weight that gives already slow speed and higher pressures. that means the powders are working very healthy, but low speed. when this relationship is represented backing off the powder a "tad" to just reduce the speed another "tad". what payload are you wanting? if you check the sp3 data, there is a 21g load, that is slow. that would be my first investigation. but that pressure is awfully low to be tinkering with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 The problem with going for very subsonic loads in .410 is that a slower load needs a heavier pellet to kill effectively rather than cripple and that means a very lean pattern with such a small shot charge. I would try and live with a faster cartridge to get the most out of the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) The problem with going for very subsonic loads in .410 is that a slower load needs a heavier pellet to kill effectively rather than cripple and that means a very lean pattern with such a small shot charge. I would try and live with a faster cartridge to get the most out of the gun. Thanks for the reply. I had another thread running so don't really want to derail this one too much... but basically I am looking for the quietest possible cartridge as a dedicated close range ratting load around stables. Strongly prefer fibre wad and would like to try very small shot eg 9, 10, 11 etc to minimise damage and a filled pattern - so the opposite set up really to the situation you describe where you normally need big shot to keep the energy up over distance. Different people load for different reasons. Not many do it to save money, but one reason is to have the satisfaction of having a custom load that you cannot buy commercially. I have never loaded before, but this particular load is the one that has got my interest and I will give it a try if/when I can find a suitable recipe. I have no intention of experimenting at this stage with my current experience (ie zero) - having said that if it means tweaking an existing recipe under guidance and then sending them off for proof testing I am happy to do that. Whatever I do I will do it right. Quantity will be low so hand loading will be ideal. I have some empty 3" Eley subsonic hulls (fired from my gun) so if it possible to re-use them, even if it means cutting them down in length, then that would be the icing on the cake. Cookoff13... thanks for your reply. Re the payload: I realise that a workable load needs to balance various factors. In this case the payload is probably the least important to me and so it can be whatever it needs to be. A light payload would suffice but if being bigger helps then so be it. I realise that this is going away from the mainstream, so in one sense is a bad starting point to reload. But to me that is the whole point. At the moment I don't have the time or interest to load mainstream loads that I can just as easily buy. Maybe once I become a retired old codger Edit to add: I understand the concept of learning to walk before running, so don't mind practicing on something "easier" first. Thanks again for all helpful replies Edited May 11, 2013 by HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Why not try 2 inch loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Why not try 2 inch loads I have a lovely little recipe for those! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) Why not try 2 inch loads editted: I think you are pointing out that some find 2" carts are the quietest commercially available. ( Do you know of any with small shot in fibre wad? I only know of Eley 6 shot in fubre 2") This is a thread about reloading. I am just wondering if I can load my own even quieter. Just for the fun. If I can't , I am not interested. If I can I am interested. Simple as that. Edited May 11, 2013 by HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Subsonic loads with small shot are not the way to go ,small shot will lose power quickley and not leave you with clean kills, keep to larger shot and shorter range . Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) Subsonic loads with small shot are not the way to go ,small shot will lose power quickley and not leave you with clean kills, keep to larger shot and shorter range . Deershooter Thanks for the reply. The whole point though is that I want to lose power quickly. 5 paces typical max range. Something similar to a garden gun in philosophy ( but the .410 still leaves the option of going to bigger shot and/or full power for other areas.) Edited May 11, 2013 by HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) Thanks for the reply. The whole point though is that I want to lose power quickly. 5 paces typical max range. Something similar to a garden gun in philosophy ( but the .410 still leaves the option of going to bigger shot and/or full power for other areas.) Throw a brick. Edited May 12, 2013 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Thanks for the reply. The whole point though is that I want to lose power quickly. 5 paces typical max range. Something similar to a garden gun in philosophy ( but the .410 still leaves the option of going to bigger shot and/or full power for other areas.) thats almost bayonet distances. it sounds like you are shooting rodents etc, maybe load 9s at that distance, any shotsize would do, but keep it small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt fieldcrafter-uk Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 I used to shooting a pig farm for rats what your describing is pretty much what I had allways thought . A multi shot .410 silenced with loads that will paralize the rats but not blast holes in the surrounding building. Range no more than 15 yards . 9or10 shot sound just right . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 About ten years ago, there was an article about a fella who reloaded .410 for ratting. He modified a bolt action and incorporated a lamp and switch. The cartridges he loaded were very low power, and I remember the text...'not much more than a pinch of powder...' to reload them. The shot weight was very light, too. Anyone remember the article? I seem to remember the stock he fashioned for the gun was painted green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 thats almost bayonet distances. it sounds like you are shooting rodents etc, maybe load 9s at that distance, any shotsize would do, but keep it small. yes, shooting rats in and around stables and various brick or wood buildings. Nearly mentioned a bayonet myself I used to shooting a pig farm for rats what your describing is pretty much what I had allways thought . A multi shot .410 silenced with loads that will paralize the rats but not blast holes in the surrounding building. Range no more than 15 yards . 9or10 shot sound just right . Seems like a reasonable idea doesn't it? I had fancied a garden gun, but thought why not see if it is possible to get a similar performance in a .410 I've already got. And then there is the flexibility to go all the way up to full power standard loads where it suits. I had already asked about the idea on another thread and was told it was feasible. I just posted on this thread for any more leads on load data. Siarm suggest there are there some on their website but the links don't seem to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 About ten years ago, there was an article about a fella who reloaded .410 for ratting. He modified a bolt action and incorporated a lamp and switch. The cartridges he loaded were very low power, and I remember the text...'not much more than a pinch of powder...' to reload them. The shot weight was very light, too. Anyone remember the article? I seem to remember the stock he fashioned for the gun was painted green. Yes FC I think that I had read that article as well, were their two guy's that were getting rid of vermin around pigs and didn't want to blast the plastic water pipe? They were loading 'dust' shot into cut down cases, because I thought that that would be realy useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yes FC I think that I had read that article as well, were their two guy's that were getting rid of vermin around pigs and didn't want to blast the plastic water pipe? They were loading 'dust' shot into cut down cases, because I thought that that would be realy useful. That's the one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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