243 or .223cost of running

[coupe312]

as topic sugest after my last question over fox round think should i get .243 for deer latter on??? give me a bit more flexability???

 

then what the cost of running a .243 in comparison to .223?

 

 

i was thinking 50grain for foxing with?

[Frank]

As reloading in this country, ( Eire) is still not 100% leagle, we in most cases, acception of some, have to buy factory ammo at present.

 

My freinds .243 ammo is far more expensive then .223 ammo.

 

Not sure how much cheaper it would be over their, but i would imagine, the .223 would be cheaper, to rerload and buy factory ammo for.

 

Frank.

[Browning]

Coupe,

 

If you're talking about home reloading, I've reloaded .223 in the past, and now reload for the .243.

 

The reloading cost difference is minimal in my experience, and I certainly wouldn't let a few pence per round

stop you from getting a caliber that you will definitely need if you intend to shoot deer in England.

[kip270]

I shoot a .222 and a .270, and for factory feds the prices are as follows: .222 are £16.00 for 20 rounds and the .270 are £20 for 20 rounds.

 

Now reloading the .222 prices are as follows: 100 V-max 50grain heads £13.00. Tub of R7 powder £31.00 and 100 primers a few quid. So in the long run reloading your own ammo will work out cheaper, but more importantly will improve accuracy in your rifle.

 

Now for a Foxing round in .243 i would look at a round of 70grain and not 50grain. But if you are going to be using it for Deer later on, using two different weights rounds will mean YOU WILL HAVE TO RE-ZERO YOUR RIFLE FOR FOXING AND AGAIN FOR DEER STALKING so go for a round that is legal for deer and then use it for Foxing as well. That way you will not have to go and zero your rifle before you do either form of shooting.

 

There is no such thing as over-kill, only a humane kill.

Hope this helps

[DaveK]

I shoot a .222 and a .270, and for factory feds the prices are as follows: .222 are £16.00 for 20 rounds and the .270 are £20 for 20 rounds.

 

Now reloading the .222 prices are as follows: 100 V-max 50grain heads £13.00. Tub of R7 powder £31.00 and 100 primers a few quid. So in the long run reloading your own ammo will work out cheaper, but more importantly will improve accuracy in your rifle.

 

Now for a Foxing round in .243 i would look at a round of 70grain and not 50grain. But if you are going to be using it for Deer later on, using two different weights rounds will mean YOU WILL HAVE TO RE-ZERO YOUR RIFLE FOR FOXING AND AGAIN FOR DEER STALKING so go for a round that is legal for deer and then use it for Foxing as well. That way you will not have to go and zero your rifle before you do either form of shooting.

 

There is no such thing as over-kill, only a humane kill.

Hope this helps

 

You wouldn't necessarily have to rezero for deer if zeroed for fox. Zero in the normal way with one round (fox) and tinker about with the other (deer) load until it has the same poi.

 

I've found that I have not a lot of slippage between 75gn, 85gn reloads and 100gn factory. Certainly not enough to worry about.

 

Dave

[miffy]

The cost of the ammo shouldn't really a big factor in choosing which calibre rifle to shoot as there isn't really that much difference in cost per round between .223 and .243

 

I reload for my .243 and use 65 Grain Vmax for foxes and i use Winchester 100 Grain soft point CXP2 factory ammo for deer (just got the phone call tonight to go stalking in about 2 weeks time )

 

If you intend to shoot deer in the future then a .243 is the calibre that you should be looking for IMO

[coupe312]

The cost of the ammo shouldn't really a big factor in choosing which calibre rifle to shoot as there isn't really that much difference in cost per round between .223 and .243

 

I reload for my .243 and use 65 Grain Vmax for foxes and i use Winchester 100 Grain soft point CXP2 factory ammo for deer (just got the phone call tonight to go stalking in about 2 weeks time )

 

If you intend to shoot deer in the future then a .243 is the calibre that you should be looking for IMO

 

 

thats what i'm thinking going forward would like to try a bit of deer stalking but thats not now. if there was a huge cost diffrence i would have gone for a .223 and looked to but as i'm modderating what ever rifle i get the genral feeling seams to be there noise level are simalar.

 

hence getting a .243 seams a better option as a more multi funtion tool. luck my shooting plot is passed for a .243 as my certificate is not open ..... need to sort that out some how

 

thanks for your help everyone as always.

[dunganick]

once you have spent £1000 - £1500 on a setup and driven maybe 20miles to where your shooting, got up extra early etc etc...... are you really that bothered about 10 or 20p difference between them?

 

This is why i can justify shooting crows etc... with centerfire. I enjoy it and after all the money getting there and getting the kit costs me, plus reloading hte ammo, i dont really care if it costs me 30p to shoot a crow. I enjoy it, and that 30p is worth every penny.

[coupe312]

once you have spent £1000 - £1500 on a setup and driven maybe 20miles to where your shooting, got up extra early etc etc...... are you really that bothered about 10 or 20p difference between them?

 

This is why i can justify shooting crows etc... with centerfire. I enjoy it and after all the money getting there and getting the kit costs me, plus reloading hte ammo, i dont really care if it costs me 30p to shoot a crow. I enjoy it, and that 30p is worth every penny.

 

fair point but as i will be doing a lot down the range at first before pointing it at anything living i had to consider it, and if the running cost was significatly higher i would have to make a judgement on it.

[il cacciatore]

For 20 .223 Federal 55gr soft point it is £15.00 in the local RFD.

[Ferretboy111]

Laws are changing aswel dont forget! .223 will be legal for roe, munjac and cwd by july next year! But if i had the land to put a .243 or 6.5*55mm on id jsut go for one of them and use it for both foxes and deer, as at the end of the day not many people shoot a fox every time they go lamping!!

 

Alex

 

Well i havent

[miffy]

as at the end of the day not many people shoot a fox every time they go lamping!!

 

I do

[Ferretboy111]

I said shoot one, not shoot at one and miss!

 

lol

 

[miffy]

I said shoot one, not shoot at one and miss!

 

lol

 

 

 

am i ever gonna live that miss down, at least it was only 1 miss out of 100's so i can live with that and i still shoot "at least" 1 on 99% of lamping trips

[Browning]

Laws are changing aswel dont forget! .223 will be legal for roe, munjac and cwd by july next year!

 

The law is currently "Under Review" by Defra, and has been for quite some time.....don't hold off getting a .243 because of this.....you could be waiting a long time.

[Ferretboy111]

A hell of a load of foxes around ures then, or is it because you only go lamping once a year?

 

Ive had 1 shot 1 kill so far with my .223 at a fox! i very much doubt it will stay that way though.

 

Alex

 

 

oh right, read in my Basc magazine that they have been pushing for it for 13 years and the new laws should be put forward by july next year.

 

Alex

[deadeye ive]

Do I get a hint of the good old days of mickey taking returning (Hope so )

 

 

I'm in the same dilemna where knowing what I know now I would've gone for the .243 .......I now have a .223 Tikka 595 which is a tack driver and I'm very reluctant to part with it which would be common sense really if my next calibre is .243 but I feel it'll be 6.5 x 55 (Chosen Deer calibre )instead and keeping the tikka .

 

For similar performance at 200 yds - 24 grn's of N133 powder for .223 and although I'm guessing nearly twice as much for the .243 (Albeit a different brand )

 

N133 cost nearly £60 for 1 kg

 

Hope this helps

[miffy]

A hell of a load of foxes around ures then, or is it because you only go lamping once a year?

 

Ive had 1 shot 1 kill so far with my .223 at a fox! i very much doubt it will stay that way though.

 

 

No more foxes here than anywhere else, and i try and get out lamping more than once a year

[markbivvy]

N133 cost nearly £60 for 1 kg

heard it costs only about £2 a kilo to make. dont think they wont rip us would they.

[miffy]

Do I get a hint of the good old days of mickey taking returning (Hope so )

 

 

I'm in the same dilemna where knowing what I know now I would've gone for the .243 .......I now have a .223 Tikka 595 which is a tack driver and I'm very reluctant to part with it which would be common sense really if my next calibre is .243 but I feel it'll be 6.5 x 55 (Chosen Deer calibre )instead and keeping the tikka .

 

For similar performance at 200 yds - 24 grn's of N133 powder for .223 and although I'm guessing nearly twice as much for the .243 (Albeit a different brand )

 

N133 cost nearly £60 for 1 kg

 

Hope this helps

 

As you suggest Ive i'm using 47 grains of H414 in my .243 homeloads which is almost double the powder of the .223

 

1 Kilo of powder goes a long way tho

 

God luck tonight Ive

[hawkeye]

The cost of the ammo shouldn't really a big factor in choosing which calibre rifle to shoot as there isn't really that much difference in cost per round between .223 and .243

 

I reload for my .243 and use 65 Grain Vmax for foxes and i use Winchester 100 Grain soft point CXP2 factory ammo for deer (just got the phone call tonight to go stalking in about 2 weeks time )

 

If you intend to shoot deer in the future then a .243 is the calibre that you should be looking for IMO

 

 

thats what i'm thinking going forward would like to try a bit of deer stalking but thats not now. if there was a huge cost diffrence i would have gone for a .223 and looked to but as i'm modderating what ever rifle i get the genral feeling seams to be there noise level are simalar.

 

hence getting a .243 seams a better option as a more multi funtion tool. luck my shooting plot is passed for a .243 as my certificate is not open ..... need to sort that out some how

 

thanks for your help everyone as always.

 

 

When it comes to noise scaffy has a 243 and i have a 223 with a T8ar on mine and it is a lot quieter than scaffy's 243

[miffy]

When it comes to noise scaffy has a 243 and i have a 223 with a T8ar on mine and it is a lot quieter than scaffy's 243

 

In built up areas i find that my .243 is louder than my mates .223 (both moderated)

I shoot a couple of fields that have houses backing onto them and when i have shot foxes with the .243 nobody has ever come out to investigate or phoned the police to report us shooting, so they can't be that loud.

 

In open areas i don't think there is any noticeable difference

[deadeye ive]

God luck tonight Ive

Yes I feel I need the luck of a God sometimes ............Cheers

 

To my earing there is no noticeable difference on open ground between both calibres mderated by a T8

[trakker01]

on the rifle you require, dont forget to consider what distance you to be shooting & what twist ,will be best to blend to the ammo gr..

 

just to confuse ya more..

 

personally i use a std 1-9 twist & 55g ...superb results at upto 150/180yds

 

main thing is, forget the cost ,just enjoy.....buy the g/f coke instead & ask her to move out to save the cost !!

 

besides goodlooking cleaners are £6 per hour, they sort the house,like showers together & go home , no hassle..

[coupe312]

on the rifle you require, dont forget to consider what distance you to be shooting & what twist ,will be best to blend to the ammo gr..

 

just to confuse ya more..

 

personally i use a std 1-9 twist & 55g ...superb results at upto 150/180yds

 

main thing is, forget the cost ,just enjoy.....buy the g/f coke instead & ask her to move out to save the cost !!

 

besides goodlooking cleaners are ?6 per hour, they sort the house,like showers together & go home , no hassle..

 

oh no not more info.

 

saving on g/f cost would been a huge saving......

 

good looking cleaner?? haven't seen one of them