Channel 4 - Skint

[welsh1]

Not sarcastic at all, would you want someone to answer a key question for you?

 

Personally I wouldn`t but there you go.

My apologies, I perceived it as sarky,and accept it was not.

 

I answered the point about the tax disc,I agree that the poster should answer other points within his statement.

[henry d]

[Albertan_J]

Henry it is obvious what he is alluding to. Benefit cheats. You seem to pop up for a bit of an argument on every thread with a bit of edge to it undoubtedly taking what you think is the moral high ground. All the best off to work.

[aris]

Skint is on again tonight.

 

Also came across this article:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10067418/The-welfare-ghettos-where-ambition-means-being-boss-of-a-gang.html

 

Is there any hope for these communities? How do you instill some sort of ambition or self-worth to someone who has lived on welfare and everyone around them has lived on welfare all of their life?

[Penelope]

I'm afraid that it is one way street all the way downhill.

 

 

Skint is on again tonight.

 

Also came across this article:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10067418/The-welfare-ghettos-where-ambition-means-being-boss-of-a-gang.html

 

Is there any hope for these communities? How do you instill some sort of ambition or self-worth to someone who has lived on welfare and everyone around them has lived on welfare all of their life?

[aris]

I'm afraid that it is one way street all the way downhill.

 

 

I'd like to think we can do something better than the American solution - namely building more prisons.

[henry d]

Have a read of "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" by Paulo Freire, its has some interesting ideas.

[Kes]

That Henry just about sums you up - no I wont read it - go and be something else.other than someone struggling with their own problems.

Sorry but I will never again answer any of your self -help questions This one just made my blood boil - so (apparently) self important - reply if you like but I assure you I'm long gone.

I wish you well in your personal struggle to find meaning in life.

[aris]

Have a read of "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" by Paulo Freire, its has some interesting ideas.

 

Thanks - had a quick google and found a PDF. Looks like a heavy going philosophical text - will read when time and brain cycles permit :-)

[castletyne]

I`m curious about this comment...

 

 

So let me get this right, and correct me if I am wrong, you are checking the cars of everyone you work for? Why on earth would you do this? Are you medically trained? Are you a government agent, bringing those who are not disabled to justice? If not then why would you do it?

No Henry I do it out of personal interest as im sick and tired of the way this country has been run

 

I left school at 16 started my own business and have worked 6 days a week for thr last 24 years

 

Some people should have a disabled but not the numbers currently in this country with them

[keg]

 

On the flip side of that view I'm sure that the decent, hard working people would put themselves out to go and vote for a party that really wanted to deal with it? We only have to look at the recent UKIP voting surely?

 

Liebore are very guilty of encouraging idleness and dependability on the state, it only works while the earners and wealth creators out there remain passive to the wasting of their hard earned money though.

 

There is no such thing as "government money" it has all come from the wage packets of the working man and the investors in this country, the government is made up largely of people who have never had to generate a profit in their life.

 

Easy come, easy go, just like the benefit sponger who smokes 20 fags a day and sits in front of a 60" telly swigging beer all day.

 

It will eventually hit the rails as expenditure runs out of control, in reality it already has but nobody looking to put the brakes on will win a popularity contest as the same, genuine working people who didn't cause the problem will be the ones paying for it yet again while the feckless, ever breeding morons will continue just as before, until their financial lifelines are severed.

You've got it. Any govt that really takes the so called underclass to task makes themselves unelectable.

[henry d]

That Henry just about sums you up - no I wont read it - go and be something else.other than someone struggling with their own problems.

Sorry but I will never again answer any of your self -help questions This one just made my blood boil - so (apparently) self important - reply if you like but I assure you I'm long gone.

I wish you well in your personal struggle to find meaning in life.

 

It wasn`t a post for you, but thanks for the rant.

 

 

Thanks - had a quick google and found a PDF. Looks like a heavy going philosophical text - will read when time and brain cycles permit :-)

 

It isn`t too hard but he makes up a word/concept conscientização but it is well described in the footnote. The forewords and preface are worth a read too.

[overandunder2012]

 

It wasn`t a post for you, but thanks for the rant.

 

 

It isn`t too hard but he makes up a word/concept conscientização but it is well described in the footnote. The forewords and preface are worth a read too.

lifes to short

[keg]

It says a lot of his writing is heavily influenced by Marxism, that's when I lost interest..

[henry d]

That is understandable, its not for everyone, but again a balance of views is always a good thing

Edited May 20, 2013 by henry d

[aris]

That is understandable, its not for everyone, but again a balance of views is always a good thing

 

Sadly, some people are too blinkered to understand that. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you should ignore it. Sometimes understanding an opposing point of view gives you better insight into your own PoV.

[castletyne]

I`m curious about this comment...

 

 

So let me get this right, and correct me if I am wrong, you are checking the cars of everyone you work for? Why on earth would you do this? Are you medically trained? Are you a government agent, bringing those who are not disabled to justice? If not then why would you do it?

I don't need to be medically trained to see there's plenty scamming the system with motorbility cars

 

Or see its a crazy system where someone has a dodgy knee but works full time but is entitled to a car

 

One of the reasons the country is in so much debt and is the benifets capital of the world is we had people in power that had views like yours

Edited May 20, 2013 by castletyne

[henry d]

 

Sadly, some people are too blinkered to understand that. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you should ignore it. Sometimes understanding an opposing point of view gives you better insight into your own PoV.

 

 

I don't need to be medically trained to see there's plenty scamming the system with motorbility cars

 

Or see its a crazy system where someone has a dodgy knee but works full time but is entitled to a car

 

One of the reasons the country is in so much debt and is the benifets capital of the world is we had people in power that had views like yours

 

...and your view of my views are? I`m far from any single political view.

[pegasus bridge]

Skint is on again tonight.

 

Also came across this article:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10067418/The-welfare-ghettos-where-ambition-means-being-boss-of-a-gang.html

 

Is there any hope for these communities? How do you instill some sort of ambition or self-worth to someone who has lived on welfare and everyone around them has lived on welfare all of their life?

 

'workfare' is what these people need. afterall, it will expose them to the same pressures and decision making processes as anyone who does work.

 

continually throwing money at them allowing them to sit on sofas, breeding like rabbits has failed,

[aris]

 

'workfare' is what these people need. afterall, it will expose them to the same pressures and decision making processes as anyone who does work.

 

continually throwing money at them allowing them to sit on sofas, breeding like rabbits has failed,

 

Surely for something to fail, surely it was expected to work in the first place? To me it sounds akin to sweeping the mess under the carpet, hoping it will go away.

[castletyne]

 

 

 

...and your view of my views are? I`m far from any single political view.

I think you refuse to see any problems on some matters

 

Take immigration most people realise there's problems and somethings not working and we need to make changes

 

And in my view this is one of the reasons the country is in the state its in we have politicians in power and councils who are scared to face up to some matters

Edited May 20, 2013 by castletyne

[pegasus bridge]

 

Surely for something to fail, surely it was expected to work in the first place? To me it sounds akin to sweeping the mess under the carpet, hoping it will go away.

 

its the failure of socialism, it would have worked beautifully if all had a similar work ethic.

[keg]

That is understandable, its not for everyone, but again a balance of views is always a good thing

Agreed, it's one of the reasons I enjoy this section of PW but I've yet to see Marxism work ( or communism).

[Penelope]

It can only work on the small scale, and if everyone pulls their weight, i.e. a Kibbutz. Having spent 6month on one in 95 I can avow to this.

Agreed, it's one of the reasons I enjoy this section of PW but I've yet to see Marxism work ( or communism).

[keg]

It can only work on the small scale, and if everyone pulls their weight, i.e. a Kibbutz. Having spent 6month on one in 95 I can avow to this.

Possibly Penelope, and I think the smaller the better it is, but a Kibbutz ( I am assuming) is voluntary, pretty sure most communist countries enforce it on their population.

 

Ultimately, human nature takes over and as I once said to a champagne socialist who was ranting on about redistribution of wealth ( as long as it wasn't hers) if you gave everyone in the uk the same amount of money on a Monday, by Friday, chances are it would be back to were it was the previous week. Someone will have saved it, someone drank it, smoked it, Sh****** it or injected it away.

 

Others will have saved it or doubled it. Thus is, was, and shall be ever more.