fieldwanderer Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I think I've settled on what I want but thought I'd run it past you guys just in case you can see any issues with the "plan"; .22-250 rem for those who don't know. The start's going to be to get a second hand sako 75 or 85 in stainless, probably synthetic stock and have the rfd send it straight to rhino rifles for a re-barrel (quicker and cheaper than border/archer apparently). I've emailed them outlining what I want which is; .22-250 rem, stainless, slight taper from action for first 4-5" to a fairly chunky parallel barrel (externally) 20 - 22mm at a guess, screwcut for mod (what's big but common, M18?) and 11 degree target style crown - all fitted and proofed obviously. I'm after a versatile twist rate, I probably won't bother with the lighter bullets so more like 50 - 65gr which I guess would be about a 1:10 twist rate? And I'd probably opt for a relatively long barrel 25" maybe? Just hope the original stock will still be usable with this until I get a replacement! Obviously, it'll be heavy but that's how I want it. Then there's the stock - that might have to wait until I've straightened the old piggy bank up a bit but I had a boyde's thumhole stock in mind - the only trouble is the cost of postage! it's more than the price of the stock, without uk tax etc!! I'll probably get the action bedded and fit an anschutz trigger when I get the new stock, I'll sort a mod asap too. Comments? suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethb Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 You will pay top money for a sako 75,and the barrel will hopefully have plenty of life left in it,why re-barrel straight away if it's a shooter,use the money you have for a barrel and get a nice A 3-5 mcmillan stock from jacksons,and not sure you can fit a anschutz trigger to a sako,just get the gunsmith to tweak the trigger,i shoot two custom build sako 75's and both triggers are sweet,just my thoughts,hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) couple of things to take into account. the sako action are going to set you back a fair bit. and to put the build cost on that will cost a fair amount. also watch what barrel profile you have you wont be able to go massively heavy profile because the action tenons will limit the size as there smaller on sako tiika then say a remmy profile. this will in turn affect your stock. you might find the standard plastic stock might be a little flexy once you open it up for a heavy barrel. if you want to use the heavier bullets get a 1 in 9 twist and throated for the 75 amax the 60 grain bullets don't really offer alot more better bc then the 50's and 55's if you want to put the fast twist to its main use get the rifle set up for the superb bc of the 75 a max. last but not least due to friends experience i would AVOID using rhino rifles. poor work. bad chambering. poor crown work. that bad it cut his finger on crown it was that sharp. the rifle action was loose in the stock. and when he checked the action screws where loose. reason being rhino didn't open the barrel channel up for his barrel which is shocking. my mate would have cracked the stock if he would have done the screws up in the action action and barrel was marked. and last but not least wouldnt shoot for ****. when he had it borescoped some of the rifling was missing muzzle end. as the blank should have be chopped back it wasn't it was screw cut and crowned. in all a rushed and very very poor job. ps i wont even tell you about the two 204's he built at same time. one for my mate who had this 243 done above . and the other was his friends. Edited June 8, 2013 by jamie g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) I'm surprised about rhino to be honest, I'd read quite a lot of positive feedback but one bad word's enough From what I've seen so far, a stainless 75 synthetic I've seen is priced at £830 secondhand, an archer barrel all sorted (as far as I can see) is £630 From "ARCHER" BARREL PRICE LIST Chambered blank Fitted and proofed. £548 Threading muzzle for a sound moderator. £82 And the boyde stock (blank) is $54 + $64 shipping + tax etc in uk comes to roughly £110 so £1570 - just over the price of a new 85 (£1505), however, I'd like a slightly heavier, longer barrel that doesn't limit me to 55gr or less. I've read the anschutz trigger can be fitted but if I'm happy with what's there as standard I won't bother obviously. All that said, if you feel the 55gr bullets are all I'll ever need, speak up! You might save me a £70 and an extra wait. I want the rifle for deer (munties, cwd and roe up north if I get chance), foxes and longer range hares - I enjoy the longer shots, that and the idea of going after deer are why I'd like to go with heavier bullets. (All being well, my certificate should come back with a.o.l.q. or all of the above conditioned, f.l.o. said all ok). The thinking behind not going over 65gr is to keep it shooting relatively flat. It's all ideas at the moment though so all advice is very welcome, the more informed a decision I can make the better Edited June 8, 2013 by fieldwanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethb Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Why not go 243 in a new sako 85,heavy barrel varmint 1-10 twist,will shoot 55 grains super flat and the heavy stuff if you need it,ticks all the boxes,if not speak to chris at ukgunworks,he wiil put you on the right track for your budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Silly suggestion time but why not get a .243 instead? The whole point of the 22-250 for me is light foxing bullets going fast and flat, you can do that with a 58 vmax from a .243 and still go onto heavier deer bullets with loads to choose from up to 100 g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 .......................... Comments? suggestions? Yeah, WHY? What are you trying to achieve? What quarry needs this in what situation? You talk about saving money by using Rhino, yet this whole package will still cost a relative fortune, with what end purpose/reason? Why do you want a tricked up 22-250 you will need a fork lift to carry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd 1 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 i too am building a centrefire at the moment. i have chosen the Remington 700 platform as it is so versatile at the moment im going to go for a grs stock with sightron siii scope on top as you can tell im in the early stages. haha fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 When I initially spoke to the firearms officer, he sounded a bit pushed for the .22-250 and I really got the impression the .243 was out of the question - so I went for the biggest I felt he was willing to consider. It's all gone through and just waiting for my certificate back. Deer were only something I wanted to do at some point, more for the experience really but the other day the land owner asked me to thin them out (didn't previously have permission to shoot them). Obviously I can only shoot the muntjack (never seen a cwd) but I'm pretty sure that's what he wants shot. Foxes, just the normal situation really - out to about 250-300yds Hares, I couldn't get anywhere near them early in the year - the "undesirables" hit them hard round here through the winter I guess and it was like stalking a deer! However, these are the one quarry the land owner really wants me to do something about so some long shots may be in order but the whole permission is quite exposed and the wind never seems so stop - another reason for a heavy-ish bullet. The hope is, this'll be about the last rifle I ever buy or at least for quite a while so I wanted it to be something a little bit special and, I don't mean forklift heavy, but I have always preferred to shoot with relatively heavy rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Im in a similar situation I'm stuck with the choice of buying a new hornet, getting it rebarreled or going for something different all together. I picked up a secondhand hornet setup which looked sound enough, but when I properly cleaned it found its got pitting inside. It doesn't seem too bad at the minute but its playing ony mind so I'm starting to weigh up my options. Just wondered if you'd looked at any other uk barrel suppliers? I'm finding it hard to stomach the £600-700 for an archer barrel when the full setup only cost £600! Sorry for the slight hijack. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Just wondered if you'd looked at any other uk barrel suppliers? I'm finding it hard to stomach the £600-700 for an archer barrel when the full setup only cost £600! I've looked at a couple but £600 seems to be the going rate I'm afraid. Rhino emailed me back this morning saying £600 - though I'd decided to avoid them after what jamie g said. If your hornet shoots decent groups, you'd probably be best leaving it until it needs a re-barrel but I know what you mean. After this morning's comments though, I've decided to ring the firearms people tomorrow morning and ask if it's too late to change the calibre, it might be easier now the flo's granted .22-250 anyway, who knows! They're like women; you'll never understand them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Any factory 22-250 will be fine to those distances, try not to get hung up on Internet bull poop pushing you into custom as the only way. 50 or 55 grain bullets will be fine just use soft points if after deer. I've a sako 85 in .243 and that's been a decent buy sure has killed a lot of foxes and a fair few deer so far, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Any factory 22-250 will be fine to those distances, try not to get hung up on Internet bull poop pushing you into custom as the only way. 50 or 55 grain bullets will be fine just use soft points if after deer. I've a sako 85 in .243 and that's been a decent buy sure has killed a lot of foxes and a fair few deer so far, It started with me wanting a standard sako but I'd like to use slightly heavier bullies than their 1:14 twist, so I got thinking about a second hand rifle with a replacement barrel, then found stocks aren't as expensive as I thought and ended with this idea. Ranges may well be a bit more, especially over stubbles later in the year. If I can have the .243 (can't see why not really) I'll just go with that (new 85 laminate hunter) though the modded .22-250 won't cost a great deal more if it turns out that way either, either would be a very nice rifle IMHO - but the .243 would have me covered for any deer the land owner wants "thinned out", I'll report back tomorrow. Thanks for the help so far anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Im in a similar situation I'm stuck with the choice of buying a new hornet, getting it rebarreled or going for something different all together. I picked up a secondhand hornet setup which looked sound enough, but when I properly cleaned it found its got pitting inside. It doesn't seem too bad at the minute but its playing ony mind so I'm starting to weigh up my options. Just wondered if you'd looked at any other uk barrel suppliers? I'm finding it hard to stomach the £600-700 for an archer barrel when the full setup only cost £600! Sorry for the slight hijack. Gary what hornet did you get gary. richard pope of swift rifles had some short lothar walther barrels in which he can chamber to 17 hornet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 what hornet did you get gary. richard pope of swift rifles had some short lothar walther barrels in which he can chamber to 17 hornet It's a cz527 American .22hornet mate, I'm not really interested in the 17 hornet but its probably worth giving him a call anyway to see whAt he suggests. Cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 It's a "no" I'm affraid, not without doing dsc1 and having the land approved etc so I'll be sticking with the .22-250 - it limits me to the munties but that'll do for now - maybe by the time it comes to re-barrel time I'll have got round to doing the dsc 1 and I'll look into changing over. So, onwards and upwards still got a bit of time to have a think, can anyone recommend places to get a barrel done if I go for the build project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 how does it limit you to munties? if they won't give you a deer condition on a .243 without doing DSC1 why is it any different with a 22-250? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 don't take the whole dsc level one bull squirt! you don't need and they cant demand you have it to get a 243, call to basc I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 how does it limit you to munties? if they won't give you a deer condition on a .243 without doing DSC1 why is it any different with a 22-250? F.l.o agreed to A.o.l.q It wasn't the deer condition that was the problem though; it would seem they see .243 as a deer rifle and as such I'd need to do mentoring or dsc1 and they'd insist on land inspection. f.l.o got around land inspection by granting open certificate - I don't know if he's being lazy / awkward or what but it's much more simple to stick with what was originally agreed and just leave the bigger deer alone, the rifle was originally for fox / vermin anyway, it was just a bonus that I got the aolq so could take the odd (legal species) deer if I want to. The big question now though is whether to just get a standard rifle (quicker) or build one that's hopefully slightly more versatile - there's not much in it cost wise, but an off the shelf rifle would get me up and running quicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Update! Rifle's sorted pending payment, then it's going straight to border barrels for its new barrel, gonna keep details quiet and show the end result when I get there (12 week wait for barrel apparently). The barrel itself, I've decided to go with a 1:10 twist after a lot of research and playing with a calculator I found online it appears to be good for up to 70gr, depending on velocity and bullet length, so should be fine between 55 and 65 which I think will suit my needs nicely. Next question though; the muzzle (before threading) will be about 19mm and I'd like a nice big crown, is M18 a normal thread size for a moderator - I've definitely seen them but don't want to ask for that and find there's a very limited choice of moderators that use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal 7888 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 what rifle did you go for in the end? and yes 18 x 1 is a popular thread on varmint/heavy barreled rifles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted June 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Sako 85 .22-250 in stainless, synthetic stock (which I'll probably have to replace straight away due to barrel diameter). It's immaculate judging by the photo's, almost a shame to alter it really but I'm looking forward to having something unique - anyone got a use for the old barrell? I'm sure border could be persuaded to let it go to a "friend"s certificate rather than scrap it The rifle doesn't look to have seen much use at all. Thanks for the reply regarding the thread, M18 it is then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I think I've settled on what I want but thought I'd run it past you guys just in case you can see any issues with the "plan"; .22-250 rem for those who don't know. The start's going to be to get a second hand sako 75 or 85 in stainless, probably synthetic stock and have the rfd send it straight to rhino rifles for a re-barrel (quicker and cheaper than border/archer apparently). I've emailed them outlining what I want which is; .22-250 rem, stainless, slight taper from action for first 4-5" to a fairly chunky parallel barrel (externally) 20 - 22mm at a guess, screwcut for mod (what's big but common, M18?) and 11 degree target style crown - all fitted and proofed obviously. I'm after a versatile twist rate, I probably won't bother with the lighter bullets so more like 50 - 65gr which I guess would be about a 1:10 twist rate? And I'd probably opt for a relatively long barrel 25" maybe? Just hope the original stock will still be usable with this until I get a replacement! Obviously, it'll be heavy but that's how I want it. Then there's the stock - that might have to wait until I've straightened the old piggy bank up a bit but I had a boyde's thumhole stock in mind - the only trouble is the cost of postage! it's more than the price of the stock, without uk tax etc!! I'll probably get the action bedded and fit an anschutz trigger when I get the new stock, I'll sort a mod asap too. Comments? suggestions? Just save up and buy a Blazer R8 Pro Success B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Sako 85 .22-250 in stainless, synthetic stock (which I'll probably have to replace straight away due to barrel diameter). It's immaculate judging by the photo's, almost a shame to alter it really but I'm looking forward to having something unique - anyone got a use for the old barrell? I'm sure border could be persuaded to let it go to a "friend"s certificate rather than scrap it The rifle doesn't look to have seen much use at all. Thanks for the reply regarding the thread, M18 it is then I was looking at offering my local a decent price for a hornet he's got in so I could use the barrel on mine but after reading online apparently removing the barrel can damage it so might not be any use when you get it off. If this isn't right then I might look down that route again myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Frankly that's madness without shooting the rifle, taking a perfectly good 85 and junking a decent barrel, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.