al4x Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 come on they don't do much combat before they move onto management thats the issue and its got a high turnover of people anyway, effiectively it is a yound persons game so recruitment will always happen. As mentioned in a few places in this thread there aren't that many who do the fighting and one hell of an inefficient money hungry infrastructure behind them. People cost the money you can loose a lot of them if you invest in better kit and streamline the whole setup, we are never going to be in the situation where we throw hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground into a situation any more, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty7247 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 come on they don't do much combat before they move onto management thats the issue and its got a high turnover of people anyway, effiectively it is a yound persons game so recruitment will always happen. As mentioned in a few places in this thread there aren't that many who do the fighting and one hell of an inefficient money hungry infrastructure behind them. People cost the money you can loose a lot of them if you invest in better kit and streamline the whole setup, we are never going to be in the situation where we throw hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground into a situation any more, The big issue really is they are making so many soldiers redundant, what jobs are they going to do? So all i can see happening is thatthey are going to have to be given state hand outs, housed etc? Which again burdens everyone? You cant beat experience in the forces, you say we wont be going into any major wars again, but whos to say something big doesnt kick off? Syria, is boiling over at the moment, Russia and Iran on one side, Israel and the US on the other. The infrastrutcre behind the the fighting troops is massive, but there is good reason for it, it takes alot to get troops and equipment form one place to another. maybe the MOD staff should be sacked, or the people that a wasting ££££ in whitehall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Are the numbers huge bearing in mind the throughflow of people anyway who go through and do go onto other jobs. There are some that actively prefer ex forces personnel and a lot of other jobs where they are very much boys club jobs. Is this getting people out at the front line level or is it reducing the number who make a carear behind a desk and tend to be the expensive ones. Salary is one thing but is a small part of the cost to the military of the number of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty7247 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I belive with the merging of units, they have made alot of front line troops surplus, which does cause certain problems. Alot of behind the scenes desk jockeys could be reduced, and streamlined. If the flow of people joing/Leaving was equal, they surely wouldnt be making so many redundant, i know a few people will see if as a golden chance to start somewhere new, which is good. But does seem a kick to the teeth sacking so many, then going on a massive recruitment drive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 We have an army with more Horses than Tanks, as much as I like to see them on a postcard...I am not as keen to have my taxes pay for them. I have no idea what it costs to keep one of these animals...the Horse not the Gaurd...but do we need them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 actually they probably earn their keep if you ever go past Buck house and see the number of tourists that flock to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) Whether you agree with it or not chaps Ghost/Alx4, there here to stay,far too many senior officers in the Household division and as you say the old boy network doe's play a part and what you seem to miss from your post's, these regiments in the Household division are dual role units ie,they are front line operational units first with a ceremonial role,so actually they are better value for money than most would I like to see any of these regiments axed? NO is the short answer,but then I have served 22 years with them BB Edited June 19, 2013 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts1989 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I think there is a lot more money wasted on civvis doing army jobs. For example, we have a tech librarian that's a civvi. All she does is hold the tech docs in her office (kinda like the user manual that comes with new washing machines). How ever know one needs these docs as they are all on our intranet. Waste of £28k a year Also the civvis that run everything in larkhill, from the clothing store to the armoury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratus Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I think there is a lot more money wasted on civvis doing army jobs. For example, we have a tech librarian that's a civvi. All she does is hold the tech docs in her office (kinda like the user manual that comes with new washing machines). How ever know one needs these docs as they are all on our intranet. Waste of £28k a year Also the civvis that run everything in larkhill, from the clothing store to the armoury Yer and majority of them think they hold a rank! i had some Sodexho weasel come up to the round about (on Camp) in his works van and decided because sodexho run the camp he could cut straight in front of me when i had right of way! when i pulled up behinde him and asked who he thought was ,he said he'd tell my OC (almost crapped my self NOT) for using that tone with him, i explained to him that with a broken jaw and no teeth this would'nt be possible. Felt good for the rest of the day!! Ratus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts1989 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Yer and majority of them think they hold a rank! i had some Sodexho weasel come up to the round about (on Camp) in his works van and decided because sodexho run the camp he could cut straight in front of me when i had right of way! when i pulled up behinde him and asked who he thought was ,he said he'd tell my OC (almost crapped my self NOT) for using that tone with him, i explained to him that with a broken jaw and no teeth this would'nt be possible. Felt good for the rest of the day!! Ratus Lol, I have the same attitude toward them, don't scare me in the slightest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratus Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Lol, I have the same attitude toward them, don't scare me in the slightest The only thing that scares me is if i ever become one of them! (very slim) you at Larkers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts1989 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 No, I'm down near portsmouth. Only done courses up there and the odd briefing day. Regt is moving up there in 2015, I don't plan on being there when they move lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I think there is a lot more money wasted on civvis doing army jobs. For example, we have a tech librarian that's a civvi. All she does is hold the tech docs in her office (kinda like the user manual that comes with new washing machines). How ever know one needs these docs as they are all on our intranet. Waste of £28k a year Also the civvis that run everything in larkhill, from the clothing store to the armoury Are you sure?... I have never known an Admin Role / Non technical Skill Zone be on more than 21k a year (and that is for a Trained Technician who actually repairs equipment) if you look at the attached document i think you would struggle find any Civilian who is on more than a Highest Banded LCpl unless they were Management / Minister level (outside London) http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2F20121026065214%2Fwww.mod.uk%2FNR%2Frdonlyres%2F2129C97E-0743-4D30-9893-6F2904ECF292%2F0%2F20101116_narrative_and_payscales.pdf&ei=vKzCUbT6JsX60gXFwIHIAg&usg=AFQjCNFsTPju5rcnGif7o9ivanPcgsh6kg&bvm=bv.48175248,d.d2k Do you have to subsidise - Food - Accommodation - Medical - Dental - Learning Credits - Resettlement So i fail to see how it is cheaper to have a Military role filling that post without any of the above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Are you sure?... I have never known an Admin Role / Non technical Skill Zone be on more than 21k a year (and that is for a Trained Technician who actually repairs equipment) if you look at the attached document i think you would struggle find any Civilian who is on more than a Highest Banded LCpl unless they were Management / Minister level (outside London) http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2F20121026065214%2Fwww.mod.uk%2FNR%2Frdonlyres%2F2129C97E-0743-4D30-9893-6F2904ECF292%2F0%2F20101116_narrative_and_payscales.pdf&ei=vKzCUbT6JsX60gXFwIHIAg&usg=AFQjCNFsTPju5rcnGif7o9ivanPcgsh6kg&bvm=bv.48175248,d.d2k Do you have to subsidise - Food - Accommodation - Medical - Dental - Learning Credits - Resettlement So i fail to see how it is cheaper to have a Military role filling that post without any of the above? Yep, that is the long and short of it, and I've seen it from both sides of the equation having served and then moved across. The reason that military jobs are contracted is because civilian workers are far, far cheaper in the long run than servicemen. There is much more to it than just the annual salary. I'm expected to operate and take decisions (with all attendant consequences) at SO1 level, having the same number of staff and the same amount of responsibility as colleagues at that rank, but I am paid less than a mid range sergeant. Add to that the fact that nobody except me is providing my house, clothes, food, transport, medical etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Fair play to those who wanted to get payed off and walk away with 70k. I think it fair to make savings in all departments and still retain a military force, perhaps reductions in the RAF will be next. Savings in the Hourse Guards by using dogs that are more suited to hot climates. "actually they probably earn their keep if you ever go past Buck house and see the number of tourists that flock to see them." Our new tourist attraction should be brought in to 2013, The Essex Light Household should be formed...I could watch them for hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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