Portuguese Pointer in the making

[Highbird70]

Gents,

 

I thought to share this with you, so that you can give me your very helpful feedback about the Lemon that I am training

 

I took her in long wheat, so that she as to use her nose more and I think she done well.

 

 

[scotslad]

Dog looks as if coming on great.

 

I take it u are the farmer that owns that field?or very good mates with him? Most farmers i know would go ballistic if they seen somone in a cropping field at that hieght. And i do realise u were on the tramline so not causeing much damge but try telling that to an irate farmer

[Highbird70]

Dog looks as if coming on great.

 

I take it u are the farmer that owns that field?or very good mates with him? Most farmers i know would go ballistic if they seen somone in a cropping field at that hieght. And i do realise u were on the tramline so not causeing much damge but try telling that to an irate farmer

You spot on Scotslad, I was walking on the tramline, trying to cause as less damage as I could, infact I did not cause any, I don't think that the dog as cause much damage and the Farmer is a very nice person, always says to carry on.

But I think you are right and made me think about it, That was my first time in long wheat and the last for this season, I can use other fields or thick cover for training.

 

Ty Scotslad

 

Mark

[shakari]

Wonderful for me to see a PP because I'm lining up to get one from the President of the PP Club here in Portugal when he next breeds his bitch.

[Highbird70]

Wonderful for me to see a PP because I'm lining up to get one from the President of the PP Club here in Portugal when he next breeds his bitch.

Yesssss Shakari, I know Mr. Fonseca well, he is a great man and a very good well of knowledge on the breed, I nearly bought a dog from him, but unfortnally he already sold them all, let me know how you do and if you have facebook .... send me a pm with details, we are in a big club

[scotslad]

Sorry for knit picking but others might see ur video and think that was a clever idea and copy it, and then meet a very angry farmer. And even thou damage is minimal some farmers don't always see it that way and the red mist comes down

 

I'm very cuatious where i exercise or train my dogs at this time off year mainly for disturbiing nesting birds, pointers crying out for a good das running but won't be long till can get back to it

[Highbird70]

Sorry for knit picking but others might see ur video and think that was a clever idea and copy it, and then meet a very angry farmer. And even thou damage is minimal some farmers don't always see it that way and the red mist comes down

 

I'm very cuatious where i exercise or train my dogs at this time off year mainly for disturbiing nesting birds, pointers crying out for a good das running but won't be long till can get back to it

I understand, I have a long grass field from last year that I can use, next week I will start with the bangs, I will try one at 150 yards, to see how she reacts

[shakari]

Highbird,

 

I've only met him once but he's also the friend of a Portuguese friend (who is a vet) that I hunt with and my hunting friend says these particular PPs are the best in the country and he wants me to have the best.

 

Are you in the UK or in Portugal?

 

I'll PM you right now.

[Highbird70]

Highbird,

 

I've only met him once but he's also the friend of a Portuguese friend (who is a vet) that I hunt with and my hunting friend says these particular PPs are the best in the country and he wants me to have the best.

 

Are you in the UK or in Portugal?

 

I'll PM you right now.

Shakari, I'm in Uk, planning next year to go to Portugal, Mr. Fonseca as one of the best lines, but there is a few good breeders, I can send you the list if you want, I did research PP for 2 long years, I ended up in France to buy Mona, my PP bitch, from a well knowed Portuguese Breeder.

Also Cos, he is in this forum as bought a PP from Portugal

[shakari]

I think I'll have my puppy by then......... and am in the central zone near Figueiro Dos Vinhos and only a couple of hours from Lisboa so maybe we can get together for a beer or a coffee or something?

[cocker boy]

If you are unsure about the dog staying put at that distance keep the dog closer in and build up the distance gradually.

Edited June 22, 2013 by cocker boy

[Highbird70]

If you are unsure about the dog staying put at that distance keep the dog closer in and build up the distance gradually.

Hi Cocker boy, I don't understand what you mean....do you think that the dog its not steady?

 

Ty

Mark

[scotslad]

I think he means as u repeated the 'stay' command, many would not train a stay command at all, u say u say sit once and that means sit until told to do something else no matter how long or wot happens around it. But everyones trains there dog's differently and expects different things from them

[Highbird70]

I think he means as u repeated the 'stay' command, many would not train a stay command at all, u say u say sit once and that means sit until told to do something else no matter how long or wot happens around it. But everyones trains there dog's differently and expects different things from them

Yes, I just re-played the clip and I think, I did give to many time the Stay command, I tend to fade them out, as I notice that she will not try to run in, I will go back to the stay command , increasing the distance, without any retrieve, to build confidence.Out of 10 retrives, she will attempt to run in once or twice, hence my reinforcement with the stay command.

Thanks Gents for the advise

[JDog]

It is good to see that the Lemon is coming on so well.

 

No nit picking from me, but long crops of any description mean that very little scent escapes from the bottom of the crop where the dummy is. Any dog looking for your old sock would more likely find it by chance than by scenting.

 

When are you going to bring her to the Cotswolds for a day out?

[al4x]

Saw someone training today in standing wheat and wonder what goes through people's brains to make them think its a good idea.

Woodland has some good cover where you won't do damage at the moment if you want to train in thick stuff

[scotslad]

With my first dogs i would walk them find the thickest bit of grass/brambles/gorse etc throw dummy in the middle and expect dog to find it. Most times it did but i have not taught the dog anything, not even to use it nose as someone said earlier tall or thick cover will stop the scent coming off ur dummy. Really ur setting urself up to fail with very little to gain

 

If u want to test the dogs nose, spit and rub hands/ armpit / put ur smell sock over dummy and hide in a grass field while dog is out of sight ie a blind, not long grass just enough to hide dummy from clear sight then hunt ur dog or even let it free run down wind. When u see ur dogs body languae change way down wind as it scents it and follow the wind to dummy thats a good way to judge ur dogs nose and get used to reading it.

I rarely throw dummies into thick cover now, i know my dogs will enter it so no point in throwing retrieves in

[Highbird70]

Saw someone training today in standing wheat and wonder what goes through people's brains to make them think its a good idea.

Woodland has some good cover where you won't do damage at the moment if you want to train in thick stuff

Sorry al4x, we are not all perfect like you in this world, some people still learning and a minority know it all.....or better still, they think they know it all

[cocker boy]

I think he means as u repeated the 'stay' command, many would not train a stay command at all, u say u say sit once and that means sit until told to do something else no matter how long or wot happens around it. But everyones trains there dog's differently and expects different things from them

That is exactly what i ment. "sit" means sit untill i tell you to do something else. If the dog is still trying to run in 10 or 20% of the time you are going too fast with the training. Send the dog for its retrieve from your side untill it is 100% steady. Then 5 foot away untill it is 100% steady. Then 10 foot away etc etc.

[Highbird70]

It is good to see that the Lemon is coming on so well.

 

No nit picking from me, but long crops of any description mean that very little scent escapes from the bottom of the crop where the dummy is. Any dog looking for your old sock would more likely find it by chance than by scenting.

 

When are you going to bring her to the Cotswolds for a day out?

Hi John, I will bring Mona down the Costwold in the last days of the game season, she will be13 months, so you can judge the lemon yourself and see if you like it, the way she hunts and retrives.

About the long wheat, yes the made up dummy as got a strong scent, but that scent will be hold down at the bottom of the wheat and that's what I wanted, if you see the video in the you tube mode, with a bigger screen, you will notice that she as picked up the scent, she is a pointer, that's what are good at, it can't be a fluke, that out of 10 retrives, she asn't missed one in such long wheat.

[Highbird70]

That is exactly what i ment. "sit" means sit untill i tell you to do something else. If the dog is still trying to run in 10 or 20% of the time you are going too fast with the training. Send the dog for its retrieve from your side untill it is 100% steady. Then 5 foot away untill it is 100% steady. Then 10 foot away etc etc.

Hi Cocker boy, yes I understood what you ment now, I will go back to steadiness, as you said increasing the distance in stages, thanks for help

[al4x]

Sorry al4x, we are not all perfect like you in this world, some people still learning and a minority know it all.....or better still, they think they know it all

It's a country thing I think you grow up respecting farmers crops if you see the effort that goes into them, and the townies showing no regard for them.

[Highbird70]

It's a country thing I think you grow up respecting farmers crops if you see the effort that goes intro them, and the townies showing no regard for them.

Dear al4x, yes I agree, that people from larger cities, might not know certain manners, that should be respected when walking dogs in the fields, I spent all day with the farmer yesterday, shearing sheep and alpacas, the conversation came about walking or training dogs in the long wheat fields, he replied....I saw you the other afternoon, you where walking in the long wheat field by the ponds and I could see, that you walked in the tramlines, I have no problem with that. I was the first to agree, it should not be done, unless you know how to walk in the fields with some manners.

[scotslad]

Highbird ur very lucky to have such an understanding farmer. I would have told u where to go in no uncertain terms. When i watched the clip i could hardly look at dog as couldn't believe wot i was seeing

 

People who live in the country don't have a clue about the country side code or respect for farmers property or crops now never mind townies. I would never ever dream off walking into a farmers crop of that hieght (tramlines or not) there is no need for it, esp not to train a dog!

If ur talking about manners it would be good manners not to walk in the field in the first place.

Also at this time off year a field with long grass and no stock is generally a uncut crop off silage or hay AND ALSO SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR WALKING/DOG TRAINING

 

Back to ur dog, Rant over

 

Out off couriosity why were u wanting to get the dog to put it head/nose on the ground? Are PP's not air scenting dogs, most hpr people encourage there dogs to keep there head up scenting rather than putting it's nose on deck ground scenting

[Highbird70]

Highbird ur very lucky to have such an understanding farmer. I would have told u where to go in no uncertain terms. When i watched the clip i could hardly look at dog as couldn't believe wot i was seeing

 

People who live in the country don't have a clue about the country side code or respect for farmers property or crops now never mind townies. I would never ever dream off walking into a farmers crop of that hieght (tramlines or not) there is no need for it, esp not to train a dog!

If ur talking about manners it would be good manners not to walk in the field in the first place.

Also at this time off year a field with long grass and no stock is generally a uncut crop off silage or hay AND ALSO SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR WALKING/DOG TRAINING

 

Back to ur dog, Rant over

 

Out off couriosity why were u wanting to get the dog to put it head/nose on the ground? Are PP's not air scenting dogs, most hpr people encourage there dogs to keep there head up scenting rather than putting it's nose on deck ground scenting

Yes I am lucky to have a very good farmer, because he knows me well and how much time and work I invest at the farm, I really think some of you like to play a lot of drama queens, making things bigger that they appear, my personal opinion of course, its amazing how good you are and perfect you been in your life . "SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR WALKING/DOG TRAINING" did you hit the caps by mistake ? The Farmer as opened the land to dog walkers and training sessions, of course by using manners. But as usual...from so perfectionist gents that you 2 are, I should have not expected otherwise.

 

About the dog.....

 

What do you do when your dog tends to puts its nose a lil to much to the ground? How do you force a dog to air scenting?.......think about it.