Vectan Powder

[ThePestControllers]

I have just been looking at clay & game and they have Vectan powder and from what i can see its half price of the other powders or even better because it says 1/2 Kilo and the others are a 1lb

Is this powder any good why is is so cheap ?

 

Daz

[BooBooEH]

Daz,

 

For run of the mill loads, Vectan powders are about the most cost effective that you can use.

 

They load at about half the cost of US powders... With AS being the norm for 21 to 32 or so 12g, A1 for normal 20g and 28g whilst AO is a slow burning powder suitable for 32 plus gram loads in the 12 and more exotic loading in the smaller gauges.

 

I'm sure that Sits will tell you that xx grains of AO does well under 28 grams of lead in the 20 guage.

 

A1 is my go to load for the 20 and 28.

 

US powders come into their own for the really fast stuff, where Longshot and Lilgun are prime examples. However, at more than twice the price already grain for grain, 35 grains of Lilgun in the 28 guage for 1600 plus fps becomes quite pricey (although very effective and a real crowd stopper on the clay ground / in the field).

 

For some example loads, check out the Nobelsport website or http://####.co.uk/loads1.htm

 

Caution - work up your own loads as all risks rest with you. The above examples are not to be taken as gospel or safe in any way - refer to manufacturers data.

 

Simon

 

Ps. I forgot to say that Clay and Game are about the cheapest for Vectan. They did have a free carriage offer on for when you ordered five or more kg... but this may now have ended.

Edited August 19, 2013 by BooBooEH

[roughshooter]

John Morrish was doing As at £35 a KG so would be worth a call

Regards

Graham

[turbo33]

I tried to spend a lot of money with John Morrish, but he never bothered replying so I took my business to Clay&game and FES. Both are top notch with their service.

[Guest cookoff013]

Daz,

 

For run of the mill loads, Vectan powders are about the most cost effective that you can use.

 

They load at about half the cost of US powders... With AS being the norm for 21 to 32 or so 12g, A1 for normal 20g and 28g whilst AO is a slow burning powder suitable for 32 plus gram loads in the 12 and more exotic loading in the smaller gauges.

 

I'm sure that Sits will tell you that xx grains of AO does well under 28 grams of lead in the 20 guage.

 

A1 is my go to load for the 20 and 28.

 

US powders come into their own for the really fast stuff, where Longshot and Lilgun are prime examples. However, at more than twice the price already grain for grain, 35 grains of Lilgun in the 28 guage for 1600 plus fps becomes quite pricey (although very effective and a real crowd stopper on the clay ground / in the field).

 

For some example loads, check out the Nobelsport website or http://####.co.uk/loads1.htm

 

Caution - work up your own loads as all risks rest with you. The above examples are not to be taken as gospel or safe in any way - refer to manufacturers data.

 

Simon

 

Ps. I forgot to say that Clay and Game are about the cheapest for Vectan. They did have a free carriage offer on for when you ordered five or more kg... but this may now have ended.

 

vectan powders are just a product of branding from the main group nobelsport. nobelsport make alot of powders for factory and comercial usage.

the powders are either cheap because they have less distance to deliver, and they are made in europe.

 

i have highlighted the 21g loads in 12gauge, because i believe it is unsuitable. it needs obscene powdercharges to get the pressure high enough, to burn clean, so is actually cost innefective.

i`m sure multiple people will disagree with me. but thats my opinion. there are better alternates.

 

the difference between european and american powders is the density, european powders are made to have a low density to take up alot of room in the case. american stuff is alot denser.(for standard shotgun loads.)

 

the economics of reloading isnt about one component being cheap. its about the whole package. obviously cheaper components often mean cheaper shells. but in some instances where either alot of powder or shot, makes the overall package unsustainable.

 

cook.

[fieldwanderer]

Iirc, AS isn't meant to be used with over 30g shot, AO for over 30g.

 

I started out with green dot but soon found I could do the cartridges I was making with AS, it was roughly half the price and used less per charge so win-win!

 

I chrono'd the load the other day funnily enough, the recipe came from someone on here - 21gn As, cx2000 primer and 28g shot. They're very clean and I shoot really well with them; 1240fps (average of 5). Eley hb pigeon, 32g came out at 1330fps but I can't hit anywhere near as many with them and they're filthy compared to my home loads.

 

I guess that means I have a tendency to give too much lead.

[Guest cookoff013]

AS can be used with 32grams of lead but only gives 1100-1200fps max in 12gauge, at almost maximum pressure.

 

irony is its a nice soft load. it wuld be very clean.

 

loading to slower speeds can often open up a whole range of powders, some cheap.

chasing 1400fps - 1600fps needs specific loadings.

 

A0 is for ~36gram loads. i use that stuff in a 24gram steel cartridge.

 

cook.

[ThePestControllers]

Thanks Guys for your info very informative as usual.

i have not made up my mind what lead load to use yet but i am leaning towards 28g.

i have been shooting eley vip and game bore high pheasant and i can still hit more with clear pigeon

so i am tempted to stay away from the big boys.

 

Daz

[Guest cookoff013]

those 100 fps extra doesnt really change anything.

 

just use a decent shotsize. even 28g #5s at 1200fps is going to be a decent load and will pattern probly better than the 1600fps loads.

would be soft recoil too, and hard hitting.

[ThePestControllers]

Cheers Cook

that sounds like just the job

 

Daz

[pestcontrol1]

I am loading 21.5gn of AS under 28g of # 5s and they do the job mighty fine

[ThePestControllers]

looking good thanks for the back up.

so this definitely looks the way to go

cheers

Guys

[sitsinhedges]

An ounce of 6s thru anything is a good general load for pigeons and keeps good pattern density. I use 21 grains of AS for 12 gauge and 20 grains of A0 for 20 gauge.

Edited August 20, 2013 by sitsinhedges

[BooBooEH]

Price of course is a major consideration... You will struggle to make a standard 12g load for anything less than you can buy, unless of course you drop your own shot.

 

Moving onto the exotic, non toxic or sub gauges however, some very good savings can be had. For example, I can make a lovely 28 gauge load for about 13p a pop (and that's with using all purchased parts). The same commercial equivalent is twice that... And I can at least tailor any load for my kids and so forth.

 

Satisfaction is another matter... as there's nothing like seeing your kids dusting clays with loads that you have knocked up for them.

 

Simon

[Guest cookoff013]

An ounce of 6s thru anything is a good general load for pigeons and keeps good pattern density. I use 21 grains of AS for 12 gauge and 20 grains of A0 for 20 gauge.

yes, thats a very economical load, effective etc... 1oz is about the right compromise, as any more lead leads you into more expensive powders and alot of it per cartridge.

chasing comercial type cartridges will send you to the poorhouse, unless you make your own shot.

 

Price of course is a major consideration... You will struggle to make a standard 12g load for anything less than you can buy, unless of course you drop your own shot.

 

Moving onto the exotic, non toxic or sub gauges however, some very good savings can be had. For example, I can make a lovely 28 gauge load for about 13p a pop (and that's with using all purchased parts). The same commercial equivalent is twice that... And I can at least tailor any load for my kids and so forth.

 

Satisfaction is another matter... as there's nothing like seeing your kids dusting clays with loads that you have knocked up for them.

 

Simon

+1

i came close to factory prices once or twice, but that was when i got a deal of the century on lead. now i`m paying / paid full whack for my lead. i`m always on the lookout for the next bargain.

[sitsinhedges]

I'm making 1 oz loads in 20 gauge for not much over £100/1000 using my own shot.

[ThePestControllers]

Sounds good to me andy.

what wads do you buy and i take it your still using old shells from clay ground.

and would the wads you use be ok with 28g lead loads as well.

Cheers

Daz

[sitsinhedges]

Sounds good to me andy.

what wads do you buy and i take it your still using old shells from clay ground.

and would the wads you use be ok with 28g lead loads as well.

Cheers

Daz

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I use B&P Z19 for 20gauge and z24 for 12 gauge.