goodo123 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 In that case why don't we charge the sick more tax as I don't want 'my' taxes paying for fatties and OAPs. More's the point why not make pregnant women pay the cost of the midwife, obstetitian, surgeon etc before she is allowed in the hospital. Children are a fact of life, not a life choice, and as it's the state that says it's illegal not to send them to school (which your taxes pay for), then why not let the state pay for the high priced and poor quality meals, currently provided in many schools by subn-contracted businesses run for profit. Children are a choice in life not a fact (if you cannot support them don't have them) and parents should be able to support them and not rely on the tax payer, I have already mentioned about the nhs etc and I have no issue with it as one day I might need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Ultimately the gvmt will provide everything, everyone will have the same of everything, all your wages will go to the gvmt as tax. No matter how hard you work even if the guy next to you doesn't you will get the same. That's fair isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 If people are moaning about kids may be starved etc then why not make the parents pay up front for say a term or year? I just think it's disgusting that I'm paying for someone else's kids to eat. You ever been to hospital? I'm disgusted I'm paying for your care. You ever been on the dole? I'm disgusted I'm paying for you. You ever claim child benefit? You ever tax credit? You ever phone the police? You own a council house? You ever use our roads? I'm sorry but this argument is stupid to the unbelievable, and frankly because our taxes are not even going up because of this, doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 I'm sorry but this argument is stupid to the unbelievable, and frankly because our taxes are not even going up because of this, doesn't make sense. Where is the money coming from then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Where is the money coming from then? Elsewhere. Savings they have made from cutting other projects. I don't know, you tell me how it's going to cost me more, because I don't see my tax going up. At the end of the day once we've finished sucking the system for all it's got, all we are going to have left is the next generation to look after us. You want the sort of "Let's set up and invest" attitude of the post war generation, rather than the "Let's cut away and save tiny amounts for ourselves (after we've benefited from it) attitude of the last 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 Elsewhere. Savings they have made from cutting other projects. I don't know, you tell me how it's going to cost me more, because I don't see my tax going up. At the end of the day once we've finished sucking the system for all it's got, all we are going to have left is the next generation to look after us. You want the sort of "Let's set up and invest" attitude of the post war generation, rather than the "Let's cut away and save tiny amounts for ourselves (after we've benefited from it) attitude of the last 20 years. Other peoples tax is going up. The next generation are going to be burdened with all of todays debt. The smart ones who don't want that burden, may well leave for greener pastures. Some call it the dead sea syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 That's not how things work, I'm not in the military, I'm not ill, I don't have a disability, I don't use public transport, I'm not retired, I don't have a council house, my house isn't burning down, I'm not a oil company or a wind farm manufacturer, I'm not a prisoner, policeman or social worker. All of theses things, and many more, are paid for entirely or in part by our taxes but none of them have any direct effect on me, but we live in a society where these things matter and and have a wider impact. The alternative is an anarchic state where you only look after you and yours. Good tax fact. I'm with you on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 school meals should never have stopped, in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 but at the end of the day there will be some woman who sits on a till 39 hours a week for a pitence with no kids paying through her tax for a woman who does not need to work lives in a massive house and has 4 holidays a year kids dinners. You could argue that if she can afford all that, her husband/partner must be earning a fair bit and therefore paying quite a bit of tax himself and in turn his taxes are paying for quite a few lazy fxxxxers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 school meals should never have stopped, in the first place. When my ex used to cook you'd have thought they hadnt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted September 19, 2013 Report Share Posted September 19, 2013 You ever been to hospital? I'm disgusted I'm paying for your care. - nope You ever been on the dole? I'm disgusted I'm paying for you. - nope got a job a week after school You ever claim child benefit? - nope You ever tax credit? - nope You ever phone the police? - nope You own a council house? - nope You ever use our roads? - yes but I pay one of the highest rates I'm sorry but this argument is stupid to the unbelievable, and frankly because our taxes are not even going up because of this, doesn't make sense. - they are going up all the time but not directly, fuel etc Even if I was to use any of the above I pay my taxes to support them. I don't expect other people to pay them for me if there not going to use them too. Money doesn't grow on trees so how are government going to pay for it without charging every tax payer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Caught the bit on this on newsnight and i thought the best answer was forget free lunches serve a free breakfast, the most important meal of the day that a lot of people just dont have time for first thing in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Children are a choice in life not a fact (if you cannot support them don't have them) and parents should be able to support them and not rely on the tax payer, I have already mentioned about the nhs etc and I have no issue with it as one day I might need it. Beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Children are a choice in life not a fact (if you cannot support them don't have them) and parents should be able to support them and not rely on the tax payer, I have already mentioned about the nhs etc and I have no issue with it as one day I might need it. I'm sorry but you are so very wrong as procreation, along with death, are the essential facts of life - without them there will be no life. To put it bluntly we have very strong natural urges to feed, fight and f### and to pretend that people choose to have kids, in the same way they choose to buy a sports car, go skydiving or live in a yurt, is just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I'm sorry but you are so very wrong as procreation, along with death, are the essential facts of life - without them there will be no life. To put it bluntly we have very strong natural urges to feed, fight and f### and to pretend that people choose to have kids, in the same way they choose to buy a sports car, go skydiving or live in a yurt, is just silly. That's what contraception was designed for, so people can choose if they want them or not. Hardly an essential fact of life if there's a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 That's what contraception was designed for, so people can choose if they want them or not. Hardly an essential fact of life if there's a choice. You're not looking at the bigger picture but focusing on a single individual. Society, taxation, trade, education, population and the like aren't about a single person's choices. You may choose not to have kids but that doesn't mean that the world will stop working in the way it has done from the dawn of time, in the same way a single bee won't stop a hive producing honey just because it 'chooses' not to gather nectar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 as I see it the reason for people having children is so that when we get old there are young people to pay are old age pension and look after us when we cannot do it on the other hand we could just bring in lots of people from othere countries oh I forgot that is what we are doing now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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