is it legal

[colin lad]

well i think i know the answer to this but thought i would ask

i made up a .222 bullet but with a spent primer no powder and a 50g vmax bullet in then it has been made into a key ring,

now i know you can buy made up bullets from army surplus shop made into key rings but they are not made up with expanding bullets,

and as you need to show your fac to purchase them i am guessing only a fac holder can own one

am i right or can i make one up for my lads as they see mine and want one???

 

colin

[Alanl50]

Illegal Im affraid, your own answer was correct - expanding ammo on FAC only

Alan

[Paul223]

A max

[Andy H]

In abscence of a court ruling Inert cartridges and ammunition mounted on display boards are not regarded as being subject to the acts.

Similarly inert bullets mounted on key rings or cuff links are assumed to be exempt.

 

Taken from chapter 2 of the home office guide to the police.

[goodo123]

It's a bit silly realy, it's a lump of metal which couldn't function without some serious 're engineering yet you have to make sure your not illegal. I'm just pointing out how stupid the law can be at times.

[four-wheel-drive]

I may be wrong but I was under the impresion that inert rounds should be filled with something that would set hard so that they cannot be used if they are empty all that you would need is to put some powder and a primer in not much of a problem for some people to get hold of.

[Mikaveli]

I may be wrong but I was under the impresion that inert rounds should be filled with something that would set hard so that they cannot be used if they are empty all that you would need is to put some powder and a primer in not much of a problem for some people to get hold of.

 

I don't think there's any legislation to suggest that? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[saddler]

 

I don't think there's any legislation to suggest that? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

nope

 

Bang On....or not, in the case of an inert key ring!!

 

No law on them being filled WITH anything, just as long as they are NOT filled with live primer/powder

[Peskyfoxs]

As West Yorks count an expanding projectile as an entire round if you gave me the keyring you would have to enter it on my FAC as the bullet is expanding and it would have to be on my person or locked in my cabinet at all times.

[Kes]

As West Yorks count an expanding projectile as an entire round if you gave me the keyring you would have to enter it on my FAC as the bullet is expanding and it would have to be on my person or locked in my cabinet at all times.

True here too. An expanding bullet is just that and should be kept safely and with an appropriate FAC condition. I know its pedantic but why give anyone an excuse to question your ownership of firearms?

I'd buy one rather than make one, and keep the receipt !

[Livefast123]

I believe that it would be ok with a FMJ but as expanding ammo is classed as section 5 then the round would be subject to control due to the expanding head. I've made up a couple of dummy rounds with FMJs, polished up they look really nice.

[Paul223]

As I said earlier, a max, look like v max but are classed as target and therefore not sec5

[colin lad]

Thanks all i shall try to source some amax or fmj now where to look

 

Colin

[Paul223]

Thanks all i shall try to source some amax or fmj now where to look

 

Colin

if your only after a small number why not ask on here, a max can be posted

[JonathanL]

well i think i know the answer to this but thought i would ask

i made up a .222 bullet but with a spent primer no powder and a 50g vmax bullet in then it has been made into a key ring,

now i know you can buy made up bullets from army surplus shop made into key rings but they are not made up with expanding bullets,

and as you need to show your fac to purchase them i am guessing only a fac holder can own one

am i right or can i make one up for my lads as they see mine and want one???

 

colin

 

 

A .224 V-Max bullet is a frangible bullet which does not meet the definition of "expanding" in the Act. The latest HO guidance states explicitly that franglible bullets (bullets which are designed to break apart, rather than deform) do not fall under the prohibition.

 

J.

 

Edit: From the HO publication "Guide On Firearms Licensing Law" which replaces "Firearms: Guidance to the Police 2002"

 

"4.3 The words ‘designed or adapted’ are important. Any bullet will deform on impact with a sufficiently hard surface, but only bullets, and ammunition containing bullets, which were designed or have been adapted to do so in a controlled manner are actually controlled by the legislation (see Chapter 3). If in doubt as to the design intention of a bullet, reference to the maker’s design specification should be made. Frangible bullets, do not fall under section 5(1A)(f) of the 1968 Act."

Edited September 25, 2013 by JonathanL

[JonathanL]

In abscence of a court ruling Inert cartridges and ammunition mounted on display boards are not regarded as being subject to the acts.

Similarly inert bullets mounted on key rings or cuff links are assumed to be exempt.

 

Taken from chapter 2 of the home office guide to the police.

 

Only if they incorporate a non expanding bullet. The Firearms Act explicitly extends the prohibition on expaning ammunition to include the missiles (bullets) for such ammunition.

 

J.

I may be wrong but I was under the impresion that inert rounds should be filled with something that would set hard so that they cannot be used if they are empty all that you would need is to put some powder and a primer in not much of a problem for some people to get hold of.

 

Ebay require that if you want to sell it on their site but it is not a legal requirement as ragards possession.

 

J.