Davyo Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) As title my 14yr old son got his FAC & SGC's granted today.The FAC was granted open.With a cover letter saying "Following a recent change to procdure, we are now using a single condition with regard to firearms which are used over land.You are reminded that it is your responsibility to obtain the relevent permission from the land owner, or from the person from whom shooting rights may be obtained, in respect of the use of your firearms".I take it that the other condition was the closed condition. Is there any other recent FAC applicants in the Durham area had this information slip attached? Dont know if this is a good or a bad thing. My FAC is closed, but I never view it as a restriction as such because if I gain a new perm I just drop Durham an email and they reply saying its now added to my file & the go ahead to shoot. Edited October 2, 2013 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm160 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 A very good thing if your new land isn't yet 'cleared' for the calibres one wishes to use. I have this case right now and the land is in a different county. My FEO has told me it is likely to be some time until cleared and so until then, I can't shoot. I find the whole question of the police having to authorise an individual to shoot a particular calibre on a particular piece of land rather difficult to understand. If we are not responsible or 'experienced' enough to know when a shot is safe, we surely shouldn't have been granted an FAC in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 A very good thing if your new land isn't yet 'cleared' for the calibres one wishes to use. I have this case right now and the land is in a different county. My FEO has told me it is likely to be some time until cleared and so until then, I can't shoot. I find the whole question of the police having to authorise an individual to shoot a particular calibre on a particular piece of land rather difficult to understand. If we are not responsible or 'experienced' enough to know when a shot is safe, we surely shouldn't have been granted an FAC in the first place. That's something I can't understand regarding the way the mainland forces operate. In NI you must submit land with your application, mainly to demonstrate good reason (I.e you've somewhere to actually use the gun). The FEO will then check the land to ensure it is not unsuitable (from a safety standpoint). However once you get your FAC you are free to shoot wherever you have permission and the onus is on you the responsible shooter to ensure each shot is safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm160 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I already have land, which was needed for the initial FAC application. I have just acquired additional land elsewhere, which is where the quandary arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN BOY Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Yes mate mine came through today with the same slip in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm160 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Could one of you possibly post or PM me the exact wording? If possible, I would like to show to my FEO. Thanks Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) Slip states, Following a recent change in procedure, we are now using a single condition with regard to firearms which sre used over land. You are reminded that it is your responsibility to obtain the relevant permission from the land owner, or from whom shooting rights may be obtained, in respect to the use of your firearms The condition on the FAC reads The firearm and ammunition shall be used for shooting ANY LAWFUL QUARRY SUITABLE FOR THAT CALABRE and for zeroing on ranges or land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. Edited October 5, 2013 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlennox Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Never had any problems what so ever with Durham fire arms department, very efficent and seem to be one of the more sensible police forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN BOY Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) Slip states, Following a recent change in procedure, we are now using a single condition with regard to firearms which sre used over land. You are reminded that it is your responsibility to obtain the relevant permission from the land owner, or from whom shooting rights may be obtained, in respect to the use of your firearms The condition on the FAC reads The firearm and ammunition shall be used for shooting ANY LAWFUL QUARRY SUITABLE FOR THAT CALABRE and for zeroing on ranges or land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. That's right Edited October 5, 2013 by JOHN BOY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) Never had any problems what so ever with Durham fire arms department, very efficent and seem to be one of the more sensible police forces. OK but are they not the one that is asking for a doctors report and you will have to pay for it ...... Edited October 5, 2013 by hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Your right hawkeye doctors report £40 for SGC & £40 for FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Durham can be very hit and miss not to mention completely wrong and inflexible on things. As for the doctors report, do not supply one, you aren't required to by law or HO guidance. If they want one they have to get it not you. If they say otherwise refuse and contact your shooting organisation and even if not a member report it to David (BASC) on here as I believe BASC have had discussions with Durham about this already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Your right hawkeye doctors report £40 for SGC & £40 for FAC. My renewal went in last week without the medical report as my doctor refused to do it so I saved the £40 Durham can be very hit and miss not to mention completely wrong and inflexible on things. As for the doctors report, do not supply one, you aren't required to by law or HO guidance. If they want one they have to get it not you. If they say otherwise refuse and contact your shooting organisation and even if not a member report it to David (BASC) on here as I believe BASC have had discussions with Durham about this already. A lot of people on here rely heavily on basc, as its a matter for us shooters why haven't basc already done something about this. Luck for me my doctor doesn't charge a yearly subscription and isn't shy putting the police in their place when needed. Edited October 6, 2013 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm160 Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Many thanks indeed Dave, most good of you. Will see what my FEO say's and let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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