shaun4860 Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 I have taken guns in for friend who's SGC has been revoked, the FEO is fully aware of the situation and it was not a problem at all. And just to make the point is was a good number of Shotguns (Shot guns only). My friend obviously has no access, and cannot have access to the guns. I too have done this Terry. Informed police what was happening and that they had no access until I see proof of a certificate no problems at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) Yup. Myself and my wife share a gun cabinet for our shotguns. Hers are listed on her SGC, mine are listed on my SGC. Hers are NOT listed on my ticket, and vice versa. This is entirely with the approval of our FEO We share and all the guns,his and hers are on both tickets. To the OP.,i have looked after a shotgun for a pal while he was away at uni,he did nt want the gun just left with his non shooting parents.Just put it on my licence and my wifes and informed the FEO, he came and fetched it when he wanted to shoot,Transfered it back when he finished his degree. Edited October 24, 2013 by Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 When I say 72 hour rule I did'nt mean borrow them for 72 hours with having no where to keep them yourself , course you will have to take them back at the end of the day!!!! Sorry pstenson, I quoted your comment but as I had 5 mins left of my dinner and I was rushing i misinterpreted what you were saying in my haste. If possible OP can you look for somewhere else to rent or have you already signed up. ATB 425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lap9387 Posted October 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Sorted. Going on a mates ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Nothing to stop you keeping them for 72 hours even without a cabinet.... The 72 hour bit only applies to notifying the police nothing to do with security... It is the cert holders obligation to ensure the security of their guns ( the police don't come round every night to check they are locked away do they!) Some really off the ball comments in this subject from cert holders one assumes and allegedly from FEO's Edited October 25, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno243 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 This was a situation i asked my FEO about last month as a friend needed to store his rifle and shotgun, i asked and explained i would have no access/keys, but the idea was dismissed by the FEO straight away. I realise that I shouldn't be, but I am continually surprised by the entirely contrary advice given out by FEO's in different force areas. I work away from home and have two cabinets, one in my house and one at my parents, neither of my parents have access to the cabinet. When I raised the idea with my FEO and said that I wished to store the guns there when I was away as their house is permanently occupied not only did he agree with the idea, I was applauded for my "proactive approach to security". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Nothing to stop you keeping them for 72 hours even without a cabinet.... The 72 hour bit only applies to notifying the police nothing to do with security... It is the cert holders obligation to ensure the security of their guns ( the police don't come round every night to check they are locked away do they!) Some really off the ball comments in this subject from cert holders one assumes and allegedly from FEO's No the police don't come round every night but if they did I would imagine you would be in a whole lot of trouble if you had shotguns in your possession and you can't store them securely as described by home office rules for keeping shotguns. Also how would your FEO react to your guns being stolen from your house after you've told them that they won't be stored at your property. You would have to be a complete moron to tell the police your storing yours guns at a friends house and then keep them at your own place, as your risking loosing your licence and possibly dropping the friend who's cabinate there meant to be in, in the ****. And finally you say it's the gun owners 'obligation' to ensure the safety of their guns. How can you do that without a cabinate. It perplexes me how some people can question the advice given out on here then dish up a sure fire way to loose your licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) And finally you say it's the gun owners 'obligation' to ensure the safety of their guns. How can you do that without a cabinate. It perplexes me how some people can question the advice given out on here then dish up a sure fire way to loose your licence.Inded it is our obligation, have you never been away for the weekend shooting? Stayed in a hotel on the way to a shoot? Stopped for fuel, food, a comfort break? Your description seems to negate the possibility of doing all if these things....... I regularly take my gun with to places where there is no "cabinet" it is down to me to reasonable precautions which I do and am happy I am in compliance with the law..... So how do you secure your cabinet keys? Edited October 29, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Yup. Myself and my wife share a gun cabinet for our shotguns. Hers are listed on her SGC, mine are listed on my SGC. Hers are NOT listed on my ticket, and vice versa. This is entirely with the approval of our FEO Is this legal? I'm assuming you both have keys? I only ask as I hold my stepsons shotgun, but both his and my FEO insisted that his gun was put on my ticket, and if he had independent access to the safe then all my guns needed to go on his. This is Sussex and Surrey police forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 johnathanL must be on his holidays :lol: only joking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 johnathanL must be on his holidays :lol: only joking *****.... FEO very often disagree on the guns being listed on 2 certs, some say it causes issues with the "computer" or duplicate records, others insist on it being required. As far as i can see it rather tricky to prove when the 72 hour period starts on the clock after all any SGC holder can be in possession of any number of shotguns for any period upto 72 hours before it is required to inform the police... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 No HDAV, I haven't ever took my guns away overnight to a hotel. If I did I would seek my FEO's advice before I did to see what legalities I needed to obey. There's a big difference between taking your guns to a hotel though, and saying your not keeping your guns at home signing a letter to the police saying you will not store them at home and then doing that very thing. All I offered was my advice as I'm in a similar position to the OP and that's the advice I was given my my FEO. And as to the last comment about where do I store my keys. Nowhere because I don't currently have one. Where do you keep yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 No HDAV, I haven't ever took my guns away overnight to a hotel. If I did I would seek my FEO's advice before I did to see what legalities I needed to obey. There's a big difference between taking your guns to a hotel though, and saying your not keeping your guns at home signing a letter to the police saying you will not store them at home and then doing that very thing. All I offered was my advice as I'm in a similar position to the OP and that's the advice I was given my my FEO. And as to the last comment about where do I store my keys. Nowhere because I don't currently have one. Where do you keep yours? Well try it, when you travel with guns there is a lot of personal responsibility i guess it boils down to the definition of "store", mine go all over the country with me and there aren't cabinets where i go ( but they are in transit not storage).... my keys are kept quite safe. Every weekend there are hundreds of people traveling to from shoots with their guns in hotel rooms, car boots etc (discretion is the key)....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I appreciate what your saying but it has zero relevance to the original point. In post #30 you refer to the 72 hour rule and say Nothing to stop you keeping them for 72 hours even without a cabinet.... The 72 hour bit only applies to notifying the police nothing to do with security...) IMO this is bad advise. If, and I understand its unlikely but IF the OP's FEO happened to do a spot check one night and found the guns their when he's agreed NOT to store them their because he can't legally keep them secure due to the fact there's no cabinet how would that look. In my area they WILL NOT grant a cert until they have checked your security arrangements, I.e. security of property, location and sturdy fitment of the cabinet. In other words you HAVE to have a cabinet fitted to be allowed to hold shotguns. Also advised unless cleaning/maintaining my gun it should be locked up at all times. Without a cabinet this would be impossible and I could be accused of not fulfilling my 'obligation' to store my guns safely/securely. That's my opinion and as I'm fairly new to the world of shotguns (2 years) I tend to take what my FEO says quite seriously as I don't want to loose my licence over something as stupid as not storing them correctly. That my view on the matter anyway, each to their own. ATB 425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 You do not need a cabinet to keep a shotgun but you do need to keep a shotgun secure With the 72 hour rule you enter the shotgun on to your ticket then transfer back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I should perhaps rephrase, there is nothing stopping an SGC holder being in possession of a shotgun not on their cert for for 72 hours (cabinet or not), IF it is on your certificate you can be in possession as much as you like. There is no time limit.... So i referred to the wrong element of the legislation. I am not saying you should ignore your FEO or store guns not in a cabinet. Having a cabinet is not a condition of having an SGC..... I know several people who have been granted certificates with no cabinet, The point is it isnt always possible to use a cabinet particularly when away from home. IF you are using storage away from your residence you can with reasonable excuse have your gun or a gun with you this can be while traveling etc however its only a judge at the end of the day who can decide if you took "reasonable precautions" or not, The FLO can however revoke your certificate even if you aren't prosecuted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I see your point if you agree to keep in house A but in fact keep it in house B Best to speak with feo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I see your point if you agree to keep in house A but in fact keep it in house B Best to speak with feo I agree that you should store it elsewhere long term but the odd night between uses would be ok as long as you take all reasonable precautions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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