wildfowler.250 Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 So I've got a few questions whilst thinking about using an 8 bore.. 1) as these guns are no longer in production, is it safe to say that with most makes of 8 you won't lose any money on a purchase when you re-sell? 2) what sort of shot can you use through these guns? I'm guessing you wouldn't want to modify a gun down to a half choke so are most people using itm? Bismuth? 3) how much is it realistically per cartridge for a proper goose shell? 4) what sort of range does it give you over a 10? I realise the attraction with these guns is more the nostalgia involved, rather than trying to knock 3 birds out of each skien with a 12. I was also told you get a lot more benefit going from a 12 bore to a 10 than you do 10 to 8 bore but I have very little to base that on! Something I've always been tempted by but realistically I think I'll have to stick to a 10 for the time being :yp: interested to hear your answers though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doriboy Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 1) yes 2) bismuth 3) lots 4) not lots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 What makes you use bismuth over say, itm/itx, nice shot ect? What sort of range do you get with the 8 anyway? Cheers for the reply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 You won't loose money on anything English, even the Spanish and Italian guns make money. Double. 8 bore English made if you can find one what's not shot out around 6k to 12k, singles around 2k to 4k. You can't buy loose itm these days so its either bismuth or nice shot, or find a farm in Scotland near the shore and shoot good old lead over the stubbles. With a brand new case and nice shot around a £5 a bang a little less with bismuth, it gets cheaper when you get second hand gear when it comes up for sale. 8 bore shoots loads better than a 10b the weight balances the gun out nice with a 13lb gun, for range how far can you shoot and kill ? For me 60 yard is more than enough I like to think I would get a chance at something around 50 yards to start because they take time to master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 You won't loose money on anything English, even the Spanish and Italian guns make money. Double. 8 bore English made if you can find one what's not shot out around 6k to 12k, singles around 2k to 4k. You can't buy loose itm these days so its either bismuth or nice shot, or find a farm in Scotland near the shore and shoot good old lead over the stubbles. With a brand new case and nice shot around a £5 a bang a little less with bismuth, it gets cheaper when you get second hand gear when it comes up for sale. 8 bore shoots loads better than a 10b the weight balances the gun out nice with a 13lb gun, for range how far can you shoot and kill ? For me 60 yard is more than enough I like to think I would get a chance at something around 50 yards to start because they take time to master. Thanks for that! I keep weighing it up becuase I've got few odd guns and rifles that I could really move on and get an 8. I'm in scotland anyway which is a bonus. Even a single barrel might be a good idea to see how I get on with one. Out of interest how do you accurately price them? There's a few of those singles for sale at a couple of grand and they may actually be closer to scrap metal appreciate the info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 If you have the money, Watson Brothers manufacture 4-bores to order: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 now I might also love one, however it would need to be a double and choked full and full as the only sensible choice is soft non toxic. recoil is a nul point as some double tens will weigh more or equal to some eights. a fellow fowler has an Elderkin greylag and it is the same basic gun as my ten bored out, I have shot some singles and I should say they punch a little harder. Range wise it depends on the shooter not the fact that an eight will put more muck up into the air, personally I cannot kill as well as any of my shotguns can as regards range. Still I should love one and if I had money to throw around these days (which I don't) I should just buy the very best double I could find and to heck with the cost, its never going to be an everyday gun cases alone dictate that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 If only. If you have the money, Watson Brothers manufacture 4-bores to order: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 If you have the money, Watson Brothers manufacture 4-bores to order: great link but why would you build in ejectors? thats the last thing I would want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 You know the vid posted does bring to mind some manufacturer could make a mint doing a few as BLNE double eights in the lower price band for those who want to actually use them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 now I might also love one, however it would need to be a double and choked full and full as the only sensible choice is soft non toxic. recoil is a nul point as some double tens will weigh more or equal to some eights. a fellow fowler has an Elderkin greylag and it is the same basic gun as my ten bored out, I have shot some singles and I should say they punch a little harder. Range wise it depends on the shooter not the fact that an eight will put more muck up into the air, personally I cannot kill as well as any of my shotguns can as regards range. Still I should love one and if I had money to throw around these days (which I don't) I should just buy the very best double I could find and to heck with the cost, its never going to be an everyday gun cases alone dictate that one what sort of soft non tox are you talking about kent? Surely most of them would work okay? Tbh if I got one I would take it along the sea wall most weekends if after geese. Might as well use it if you've got it. Sadly I think an aya 10 will probably be my next purchase unless I sell half my cabinet and convince myself its an investment ps how hard can it really be to make a shotgun? surely apart from getting the balance right it can't be that difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Pipe Dream for range with bigger gun, it still has to be ON TARGET and shooting at greater ranges takes some doing.. Yes you do have a bigger pattern but a well placed 10 bore would do exactly the same. My 4, With bigger shot punches out at a good eighty yards with BB, its a game load 286, pellets.. At ranges below 45 yards goes Straight through a goose, but as I have said it Depends a great Deal on being a very good shot.. I was offered a TOLLEY some years back for £2000, But declined, The guy shot that many geese in Scotland it sickened him, And gave up shooting Geese.. It Was very nice gun, it was his Grandfathers. Sadly could not afford to put that money in a gun cabinet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 what sort of soft non tox are you talking about kent? Surely most of them would work okay? Tbh if I got one I would take it along the sea wall most weekends if after geese. Might as well use it if you've got it. Sadly I think an aya 10 will probably be my next purchase unless I sell half my cabinet and convince myself its an investment ps how hard can it really be to make a shotgun? surely apart from getting the balance right it can't be that difficult A heck of a lot easier than it was back in the day. Basically if you can draw it seems to be the rule these days Seriously it would only be about the market forces to do a run of a few hundred I recon, serious stuff can be done to serious precision like never before. There are a few small shop guys who will still make one off guns, but the wait is long Pipe Dream for range with bigger gun, it still has to be ON TARGET and shooting at greater ranges takes some doing.. Yes you do have a bigger pattern but a well placed 10 bore would do exactly the same. My 4, With bigger shot punches out at a good eighty yards with BB, its a game load 286, pellets.. At ranges below 45 yards goes Straight through a goose, but as I have said it Depends a great Deal on being a very good shot.. I was offered a TOLLEY some years back for £2000, But declined, The guy shot that many geese in Scotland it sickened him, And gave up shooting Geese.. It Was very nice gun, it was his Grandfathers. Sadly could not afford to put that money in a gun cabinet.. Of course his reaction is far from unknown, without any excuse to continue I suspect it will come to most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Thanks for that! I keep weighing it up becuase I've got few odd guns and rifles that I could really move on and get an 8. I'm in scotland anyway which is a bonus. Even a single barrel might be a good idea to see how I get on with one. Out of interest how do you accurately price them? There's a few of those singles for sale at a couple of grand and they may actually be closer to scrap metal appreciate the info! just like buying a vintage car, make engine size and so on ! I would go for choke and barrel wall thickness, I had a double 8b with very little choke and that worked fine, but sometimes the ones which are true cylinder may have been cut down, wood work any cracks or repairs, then the maker some are famous makers of the era who made proper fowling guns, these do fetch more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 If the press are to be believed, you will soon be able to 3D print your own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalker58 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Hi...I do know of a nice looking single Tolley 8 that was for sale,it belongs to a farmer in Sussex..If you are interested I could PM his phone number to you! Atb Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double four Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Snowmonster on here is selling a top lever steel barrelled single 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Sheen Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 There are some really nice double and single 8's coming up for sale at the auction at bonhams on the 4th of december. They have fairly low valuations as well for the condition they are described as being in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severn Bore Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Its the romance of the big guns for me...when I take my 8 Bore out on the foreshore I am taking something that's around 140 years old out. Sometimes I just sit there looking at it wondering about all the places it has been and the stories it could tell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyshireDale. Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Its the romance of the big guns for me...when I take my 8 Bore out on the foreshore I am taking something that's around 140 years old out. Sometimes I just sit there looking at it wondering about all the places it has been and the stories it could tell! Mines 104 years old, made for a serving officer in the navy, at the time ,he was serving on a "gunship" off the coast of India, traced the ship on the internet and it had the masts and full sails....officers did a lot of shooting in india at that time, when they had leave from the ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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