Rst1990 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Was in my local shop the other day and was looking at some over and unders 12g for clay pigeon shooting. I have no idea what gun to get as there are so many, was talking to my friend and he has a beretta 686 sporter and he said you can't really go wrong with this brand, with this in mind I asked the guy for a beretta silver pigeon 1 as it's in my budget after looking and feeling how it is I loved it but he was trying to push me into a bettinsoli diamond at 700. He said why waste your money on the beretta when you can have this for less than half price, save your money and spend the left overs on shooting. I said to him I have heard that the build quality of the beretta is far more better than the bettinsoli and a few has taken their bettinsoli back as they have gone wrong a lot more than the beretta. He said if they was that bad they would not give it a 3 year warrenty. Are bettinsoli a good shotgun that will last me years not go wrong and hold value the same as the sp1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 In short no! If your new to shotgunning dont buy a Beretta first cos your gonna want to change! Try second hand first. Lanber, Baikal, bettinsoli are ideal guns for a first gun. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I don't really wanna go down the second hand route as there is no warrenty if something was to go wrong with it. I'm a firm believer in buy once buy right. Is bettinsoli a good brand that doesn't go wrong?? I've heard of the bottom barrel not firing and some have both barrels go off at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 If your new to shotgunning dont buy a Beretta first cos your gonna want to change! I'm in the same boat here, can i just ask why i would like to change if the gun fits me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 If you want new, get new. Your post refers to a gun dealer trying to tell you to spend less.... Something unheard of now adays. The bettinsoli comes with 3yr guarantee so if there was a problem it would be fixed for free. All im saying is dont get a Berettabbecause of its name. Dont rule out a new lanber sporting or bettinsoli diamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I once owned a Bettinsoli. It was a very good gun. I got rid of it because it was a case of "marry in haste and repent at leisure". It looked good had a good price and seemed to feel ok, I was in a bit of a hurry and so I bought it. After a while it became evident that it wasn't for me. The balance was barrel heavy (for me) and my swing with it was not crisp. I suppose I would say that I felt a little clumsy with it. So for me the lesson learned and one I commend to you is that it's not the name on the gun, nor it's price, or whether it's a good action etc etc etc but whether the gun fit is for you. We're all built differently so Try a number of guns within your budget, not just the two mentioned, and, if possible, visit more than one dealer and ask their view on the gun fit for you. Even repeating the process if necessary until you are sure you have found the right gun for you. I now own a Miroku Mk 60 and a Berreta Silver Pigeon (both 20 bore) and although a great initial fit they have had minor stock adjustments by Nigel Teague (I live 30 mins from his workshops) to get them just as I want them. In the end the patience is worth the effort. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Ahh got ya I'm not after a name I'm after something that will take shot after shot with no problems. I know they would take it back under warrenty but don't want something that's in the gun shop more times than I'm out using it. See what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashman1 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Are you sure its not the name your after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Ahh got ya I'm not after a name I'm after something that will take shot after shot with no problems. I know they would take it back under warrenty but don't want something that's in the gun shop more times than I'm out using it. See what I mean? I'm not sure for which post this reply is intended but in response I would say from experience that my Bettinsoli consistently fired shot after shot with no problems but I had to conclude that the gun fit wasn't for me. Which is why I changed. That is why I recommended care in selecting your gun to make sure the gun fit is for you. Edited December 11, 2013 by Bobba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Seems like you want a Beretta for the name to me.ask on here, Berettas do go wrong too. Trust me Edited December 11, 2013 by Sharpshooter.123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Wish I hadn't said the name beretta now lol What is with the hype of the brand? The bettinsoli looks a lot better IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Shaw Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Beretta all the way. I have had mine (all 4 ) for over 25 years and had one broken ejector (after 20 years) Very good quality guns, nice ballence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashman1 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 You do not spell browning with two tt atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldred4 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Get the gun that fits. If its cheaper than your budget great you have a gun that fits and can use the money saved on something else. If its at your budget limit you still have a gun that fits you. If you buy whats right for you first time you shouldnt have the need to change it. Dont rush this process go to many dealers and shops and try where you can. Personally I'd go with a new gun as a long warranty will give you piece of mind should anything go wrong. Many 2nd hand guns loose the warranty as its not transferable so the only person that benefits is the person who bought the gun first. Try different guns, see how you mount and how they fit. When I was looking for my first gun the advice I was given by a gunsmith was stick to the bigger names and buy new. I wouldnt have the experience to recognise problems and issues on a 2nd hand gun and it would just make life easier if I had any to use the warranty. I know of problems with Browinings and I know of problems on Berettas. You can get problems with any gun, the key is how those problems are resolved should they arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddaftspaniel Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 I can only say I have had a Beretta for 10 years with no problems. For the first 7 years it only fired 500 shells a year more like 3000 year now though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 The bettinsoli and the beretta fit exactly the same, I have tried many o/u out and these two fit nice the perfect stance for myself. It's just does the other justify the extra cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldred4 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 It might do in later life if you do want to trade. Might be more residual value in a gun with big brand name. I'm not saying Beretta is better than Bettinsoli but if you use a gun to trade up in a dealers he'll be viewing it from the "whats more resellable' point of view. It will come down to what you want to spend at the end of the day. If they both fit you well (especially if you have managed to put a few cartridges through them in trying them) go for what you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 If you want to buy new, and buy once by buying the right gun, then buy a quality new gun which will both serve you well and hold its value because of its reputation. Bettinsoli do not fit this category. Beretta may have a few quality control issues at the moment, but they still fit this category, as do Browning and Miroku . Your dealer may be pushing the Bettinsoli because they aren't selling? You could also get a 3 year warranty with the new or recent Webley and Scott o/u's, but that didn't stop them having to be sent back to the manufacturers time after time due to double discharge issues. I have personal experience of this. I would go for the reputation, whether it be new or secondhand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashman1 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Sensible comments ill agree with that resale on a beretta would be better its up to you atb enjoy whatever you buy Sensible comments ill agree with that resale on a beretta would be better its up to you atb enjoy whatever you buy Twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 all makes of gun go wrong at some stage from the cheapest to the ridiculous.buy what you feel comfortable with what you want I shoot with beretta for no other reason than they fit me.i have over the past 40 yearsof shooting them can honestly say I have only had one instance where I took one back and as my dealer is a gunsmith he did it while I waited.i doubt any dealer will try and sell you a cheaper gun unless he has a reason for doing so maybe its been there a long time and wanted rid. I have said many time take advice from a gunsmith not a salesman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 So the two are pretty much the same as one another is the idea from what I'm gathering here? But one will have a better resale than the other. Bettinsoli it is then 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Think how Many cartridges etc you can buy with the change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Think how Many cartridges etc you can buy with the change To true 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobC1990 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 browninggggggggggggg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 As soon as my ticket arrived I got the bettinsoli, great!!!! First couple of shots went through it and it was spot on, after 50 the bottom barrel decided it didn't wanna play :-( Have taken it back to the shop and the owner issued a full refund and was very apologetic to me, although it was hardly his fault. Have since put a deposit down on a berreta silver pidgeon brand new. I shall see if the brand lives up to the hype, as I'm def not a fan of bettinsoli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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