mossberg-operator Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 So, found this on the net. Anyone using this formula? "Ed's Red As a general bore cleaner, plastic wad remover, and carbon solvent the following formula, a creation of C.E Harris, and dubbed "Ed's Red" works quite well. In fact many folks claim it is better than anything they've tried. The original formula is: 1 part Dexron II, IIe or III Automatic Transmission Fluid - GM Spec D20265 or later 1 part K1 Kerosene 1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits federal spec TT-T-2981F (CAS# 64741-49-9) or Stodard Solvent/Varsol (CAS#8052-41-1) 1 part Acetone (CAS#67-64-1) Formula Addendum It has been reported that methyethylketone/MEK (CAS#78-93-3) can be satisfactorily substituted for the acetone if desired. It has been reported that Turpentine can be satisfactorily substituted for the Mineral Spirits if desired. The original Frankford Arsenal formula upon which Ed's Red is based used turpentine rather than mineral spirits which were substituted for lower cost. Turpentine also tends to leave a gummy residue. It has been reported that Kroil penetrating oil can be satisfactorily substituted for the kerosene if desired. It has been reported that the lower numbered "JP" jet fuels can be used in place of kerosene. It has been reported that Goo-Gone (a commercial citrus based solvent) can be satisfactorily substituted for the mineral spirits if desired. It has been reported that commercial automotive "engine flush" can be substituted for the ATF (but you lose the red color). For each gallon of Ed's Red produced you can also add 1 pound of anhydrous lanolin (CAS#8006-54-0), which helps to neutralize fingerprints but it's really not necessary and current formulations generally omit it. You can also leave out the acetone but then it doesn't remove plastic wad fouling or penetrate as well. Store in airtight chemical-proof containers as the acetone, if used, will evaporate. Two sources for bulk anhydrous lanolin are http://www.selectoils.com/item--Lanolin--SO-Lanolin.html and http://www.thesage.com/ . According to Ed, "Ed's Red" will flow at -65oF and won't carbonize at 600oF. It has seen use by both the FBI and the Army Marksmanship Training Units. MIXING INSTRUCTIONSMix outdoors, in good ventilation. Use a clean 1 gallon metal, or chemical-resistant, heavy gage NFPA approved plastic gasoline storage containers. Do NOT use light weight, thin, high density polyethelyne (HDPE), which is breathable, because the acetone will gradually evaporate. Don't use PVC containers as they will dissolve. A possible online source for metal 1 pint and 1 quart screw top metal containers suitable for storing Ed's Red is http://www.taxidermy.com . This site appears to be some sort of frames based design that does not allow you to link directly to containers, but you can find them via the following site links Products | Molding and Casting | Containers, Cups and Tools. The Blitz USA line of approved gasoline containers can be obtained at Auto Zone, Home Depot, Walmart, Target, and other retailers and are what I use. (www.blitzusa.com). Add the ATF first. Use the empty container to measure the other components, so that it is thoroughly rinsed. You can divert a small quantity, up to 4 ounces per quart of the 50-50 ATF/kerosene mix for use as an "Ed's Red-compatible" gun oil. This can be done without impairing the effectiveness of the mix. INSTRUCTIONS FOR USINGa) Insure that the firearm is unloaded and that all magazines are removed. Cleaning is most effective when done while the barrel is still warm to the touch from firing. Saturate a cotton patch with Ed's Red, wrap or impale on a jag and push it through the bore from breech to muzzle. The patch should be a snug fit. Let the first patch fall off and do not pull it back into the bore. b) Wet a second patch, and similarly start it into the bore from the breech, this time scrubbing from the throat area forward in 4-5" strokes and gradually advancing until the patch emerges out the muzzle. Waiting approximately 1 minute to let the bore cleaner soak will improve its action. c. For pitted, heavily carbon-fouled "rattle battle" guns, leaded revolvers or neglected bores a bronze brush wet with bore cleaner may be used to remove stubborn deposits. This is unnecessary for smooth, target-grade barrels in routine use. d) Use a final wet patch pushed straight through the bore to flush out loosened residue dissolved by Ed's Red. Let the patch fall off the jag without pulling it back into the bore. If you are finished firing, leaving the bore wet will protect it from rust for up to 30 days. If the lanolin is incorporated into the mixture, it will protect the firearm from rust for up to two years. e) Wipe spilled Ed's Red from exterior surfaces before storing the gun. While Ed's Red is harmless to blue and nickel finishes, the acetone it contains is harmful to most wood finishes and it could damage some plastics if left in prolonged contact. f) Before firing again, push two dry patches through the bore and dry the chamber, using a patch wrapped around a suitably sized brush or jag. First shot point of impact usually will not be disturbed by Ed's Red if the bore is cleaned as described. It has been reported that when Ed's Red is used exclusively and thoroughly, that hot water cleaning is unnecessary after use of Pyrodex or military chlorate primers. However, if bores are not wiped between shots and are heavily caked from black powder fouling, hot water cleaning is recommended first to break up heavy fouling deposits. Water cleaning should be followed by a thorough flush with Ed's Red to prevent after-rusting which could result from residual moisture. It is ALWAYS good practice to clean twice, two days apart, whenever using chlorate primed ammunition, just to make sure you get all the residue out. Thanks to Jim Dodd for the above instructions An unusual use for Ed's Red. Several correspondents report that an application of ER to an ant hill, especially fire ants, kills 'em dead. Also, Ed's Red is very penetrative and makes a superior penetrating oil for loosening rusted parts. In fact in some testing by a machinist's magazine a couple of years ago it beat all the commercial products by a wide margin. A dedicated ER penetrating solution can be made by just using a 50-50 mix of ATF and acetone. A historical note about Ed's Red. When Ed Harris first cooked it up, it exceeded the then current Mil Specs for bore cleaner and CLP. Ed and a cohort were able to test it at a defense contractor's quality lab after hours with chrome-moly and stainless samples provided by Kreiger Barrels." Thx, guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 There is even an online vendor who sells this stuff pre-mixed for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 There is even an online vendor who sells this stuff pre-mixed for you Can You send me a link to that,pls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Sounds good. Can you easily buy all that stuff over here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Can You send me a link to that,pls? http://www.####.co.uk/red-kite-gunsmiths-gun-bore-cleaner---eds-red-receipe-2873-p.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) http://www.####.co.uk/red-kite-gunsmiths-gun-bore-cleaner---eds-red-receipe-2873-p.asp Thank You! Have You ever used it? Edited January 14, 2014 by londonercsecse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) So basically apart from the dextron auto gearbox oil you can substitute any old cack you have lying around.unless you got the stuff needed to mix this brew already,its cheaper to use the branded stuff we been using for years. A group buy and split of the ed's red would be ideal for them who live near eachother. Mixed reveiws online as to how good it works. Only way is to try it. Figgy Edited January 14, 2014 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Thank You! Have You ever used it? No, i'm fairly new to shooting and have not had my barrels get that dirty! Typically I pull the bore snake through it a couple of times while the barrels are still warm, and they shine like a mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Can you run a Defender on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 No, i'm fairly new to shooting and have not had my barrels get that dirty! Typically I pull the bore snake through it a couple of times while the barrels are still warm, and they shine like a mirror. lol. use some cleaning solvent. and watch the rubbish come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Can you run a Defender on it? It would depend if the rest of the defender had been fixed first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 lol. use some cleaning solvent. and watch the rubbish come out. I have a can of spray solvent - i'll give it a go :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I have a can of spray solvent - i'll give it a go :-) Ok, sprayed some solvent in and did a jag and mop - little bit of residue came off, but nothing major. Can't hurt I suppose. I don't shoot plastic much at all - perhaps that is why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Ed's Red Is this a side line for our illustrious leader of the labour party Often wondered why the labour members were generally poor and the leaders mega rich!!!!!, Edited January 15, 2014 by ChrisAsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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