Guest jonrms Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I was at my range last night teaching a child how to shoot with a rimfire.... (mine to be exact) and was given the general help and advice to others... (btw.. if your reading this... and just joined.. it was me at cottingham gun club) soz we might have a new member on here. anyway when after about 25 shots fired.. I hear a loud BANG... sounded like a barrel had exploded or the baffles in the mod had gone... I instantly stopped the child from any further shooting... something was not right... I done all the safety bits.. ie unloading the mag... checked the cart that was shot... removed the bolt... looked down the barrel.. inspected the rifle for any damnage... nothing? I never had this problem so I decided to take the next shot myself.... I didnt want the kid getting hurt.. nor his father... so I loaded it with caution... and shot. it was normal again.... anyway after a quick word with a senior member of the club.... I decided it was safe again.. he said it was most likely a bad round.... but I never had that EVER!!!! that was my first... and boy did it scare the heck out of me... anyone else had any problems like this?B)? or has it happened before to anyone??? pps the gun is fine.. no damnage.. to barrel or sound mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mil-Dot Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Wow, that sounds pretty weird, I cant imagine where the sound could come from if it was coming out through the mod as its still just expanding gas. Did the case look ok when you extracted it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 If you were using a moderator you will be used to the quieter sound that comes from the rifle. However if you get a round that has slightly more powder in it, it will send it hypersonic causing a hell of a report as it goes down-range and hits the butts. Were you using T22 by any chance. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 no I was using my anschults .22lr. with winchester subsonics. I can only think of a couple problems that could have occured... 1) that the round was just bad.. 2) that the bolt was not tightly pressed down. and some how the firing pin still activated and had a blow back effect.. although there was no burn marks anywhere.. I looked at the caseing and it was fine... a little black compared to most but it looked normal... ie the hit point from the pin was fine.. no excess charing on the outside... but the rifle is normal .... no problems since.. and I put another 100 rounds through it afterwards with no problems.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 First thing that springs to mind is the round goin super sonic as was said but thats a crack more than a bang must have just got something dodgy maybe they over crimped the bullet or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 It's a good while since I was last a member of a club so can you put me right on a couple of points. Winchester subs are expanding section 5 ammunition. Is it now legal to use them for club shooting? It used to be the case that moderators for club shooting were not allowed as it was feasible to use ear defenders. Has this changed now? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I also had heard that the odd round may be over charged and causing supersonic cracks. LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 It's a good while since I was last a member of a club so can you put me right on a couple of points. Winchester subs are expanding section 5 ammunition. Is it now legal to use them for club shooting? It used to be the case that moderators for club shooting were not allowed as it was feasible to use ear defenders. Has this changed now? Dave You can still zero with the rifle and ammo that you intend to shoot with I think Dave G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 It's a good while since I was last a member of a club so can you put me right on a couple of points. Winchester subs are expanding section 5 ammunition. Is it now legal to use them for club shooting? It used to be the case that moderators for club shooting were not allowed as it was feasible to use ear defenders. Has this changed now? Dave You can still zero with the rifle and ammo that you intend to shoot with I think Dave G.M. Yeah but this was a young club member, not the FAC holder which is what is confusing me. I understand the zeroing bit and used to do it myself but in this instance its a young lad shooting at targets. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Most rimfire clubs do not allow hollowpoint ammunition to be fired! Better check the regulations and rules book for the range. The loud band is due to a supersonic crack, which is actually fairly common in cheapo brands like Remington, where every 5th shot is supersonic. This is due to inconsistant powder measurments. However you will sometimes get this on good ammunition. Nothing to worry about, it will still make a supersonic crack with a moderator, as the bullet travels faster then sound producing the crack. Zeroing is fine at the range, but not with hollowpoints in most ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 It's a good while since I was last a member of a club so can you put me right on a couple of points. Winchester subs are expanding section 5 ammunition. Is it now legal to use them for club shooting? It used to be the case that moderators for club shooting were not allowed as it was feasible to use ear defenders. Has this changed now? Dave Dave to answer both your question and also hunters question, in our club your more than allowed to use hallow points. infact the club ammo (abed) of the competition ammo is all hallow points and subsonics. They do have other ammo such as eley match, super match etc..... sound moderators are more than allowed as well. there is no restriction on them (unless your shooting in a competition.) IT gives you a unfair advantage... ie longer barrel.. etc. (a load of rubbish.. but there you go) Most rimfire clubs do not allow hollowpoint ammunition to be fired!Better check the regulations and rules book for the range. The loud band is due to a supersonic crack, which is actually fairly common in cheapo brands like Remington, where every 5th shot is supersonic. This is due to inconsistant powder measurments. However you will sometimes get this on good ammunition. Nothing to worry about, it will still make a supersonic crack with a moderator, as the bullet travels faster then sound producing the crack. Zeroing is fine at the range, but not with hollowpoints in most ranges. Hollowpoints are fine as I said above. our club has no problems with them at all. the only stipulation put on members for this is that they do not use anything of subsonics... ie hv rounds are not acceptable. I have been using winchester subs at the club for a year now.. and have taught children to shoot/ and adults ... with this ammo. Its a great little round and as i said this was the first time I ever had a problem ... I would always check with your club before using any rounds other than what the club supply.... but our club is fine.... and I am fully insured... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 >Most rimfire clubs do not allow hollowpoint ammunition to be fired! Don't they? Mine does, and I can think of a few others I have shot at that had no problem with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_k Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 i have had a few loud bangs. and it is mainly from supersonic rounds i hav a stupid tendency to drop the odd ss round in and my mod doesnt like them very much and makes a hell of a noise. stupid i kno but is an easy mistake to make in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hmm its strange some clubs allow them and others dont. I must further look into this next time I go down to the club. I think its a silly rule, HP bullets are safer as they will expand apon impact, and slow down quicker in the even of a ricochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Sometimes you get the odd super-sonic round in a batch of sub-sonic ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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