Guest rimotu66 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Death threats and impossible targets set by IDS and his staff have caused Atos to pull out, it never was going to work with the targets they set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Indeed, while both ATOS and Capita are not the best of companies the blame should be placed where it really belongs, firstly with Labour for bringing in these wholly biased and unfair tests and Iain Duncan Smith for blindly pushing ahead with a system that is widely acknowledged to be unfeasible, unfair and broken beyond repair, it's costing more to operate than it's saving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 The ones doing the most complaining are those that are afraid they'll have to do a days work for once in their lives. Freeloaders living lifestyles most working people can only dream off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedster Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 What counts for being disabled now days is a joke. Hope the next company is twice as hard on them. The ones doing the most complaining are those that are afraid they'll have to do a days work for once in their lives. Freeloaders living lifestyles most working people can only dream off Blimey, you're full of the milk of human kindness, or something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11108902.Concern_as_Atos_retains_a_contract/ Read em and weep, it's all propoganda and they are to continue assessing disabled people all over the country for the new benefit PIP as it is introduced , like Dave said they are all in this together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Surely they must have found some people who were truly fit to work? I'm sure I read somewhere that a good percentage of people called up for an assessment just went and found jobs instead of going for the interview. There is a chap who works at a supermarket near where I work - he has been there for as long as I can remember. He obviously has a disability of sorts - the one side of his body is a bit lame, and he slurs his speech a bit and his one arm doesn't fully work properly. But he still works on the registers, and he's a lovely chap. I suspect that he could probably just sit at home and live off of benefit, but he chooses not to. I think it was 40% of the people they failed that didn't re-apply , and of the 60% who did 70% had their benefits reinstated instantly by a court There are 3000 people employed to root out benefit fraud and only 300 for tax fraud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 How many decided the game is up, didn't go for the interview, and got a job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 To many had it to easy for to long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 To many had it to easy for to long. What counts for being disabled now days is a joke. Hope the next company is twice as hard on them. Well let's hope your legs fall off and your nads fester in the dog poop One day you might just need a little help ? .After 31 years full time employment I find myself with no legs and a not too good future I was the last person to imagine I would be in this state at 47 God help you if anything happens Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Well let's hope your legs fall off and your nads fester in the dog poop One day you might just need a little help ? .After 31 years full time employment I find myself with no legs and a not too good future I was the last person to imagine I would be in this state at 47 God help you if anything happens Deershooter So your one of the few that deserve help and I hope you get everything going. But how many are playing the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Well let's hope your legs fall off and your nads fester in the dog poop One day you might just need a little help ? .After 31 years full time employment I find myself with no legs and a not too good future I was the last person to imagine I would be in this state at 47 God help you if anything happens Deershooter Well said, I suffered a stroke it makes me see thing in a different light now, it's changed my life and the lives of the people close To me, I'm one of the lucky ones and have made a good recovery but I might well have needed all the benefit I could get as so many depend on me. Don't judge people it might be you next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Well said, I suffered a stroke it makes me see thing in a different light now, it's changed my life and the lives of the people close To me, I'm one of the lucky ones and have made a good recovery but I might well have needed all the benefit I could get as so many depend on me. Don't judge people it might be you next. I judge what I see.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I don't think anyone begrudges genuinely disabled people claiming disability benefits. At the same time though the notion of 'work' has changed greatly in the past 15-30 years. In many cases it no longer means doing down a pit, or going into an office the regimented 9-5. Telecommuting and other technology can open doors to work which never existed before. I can't help but wonder if disabled have a lot more to offer society than just claiming benefit - albeit perhaps in an unconventional way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 As usual this thread has gone off track a fair way, the OP was wondering why Atos have decided to end the contract early, as I said the main reasons are death threats and the impossible targets set by IDS and his cronies, the death threats are real by the way. I also agree with a lot that has been said, it was time the benefits system was sorted out, its just a shame it did not go further, whilst I do not begrudge any person help that really does need it I have seen to many free loading parasites that have been allowed to feed from the system for far to long, I have read a few replies from some people on here who obviously do need assistance because of there physical condition (sorry, could not think of a better way of putting that), all I can say to them is, 'do not be mad at honest working tax payers, vent your anger and frustration at the parasites that can work but don't and have given us a jaded view of people on benefits'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybucket Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 That's when atos actually gives you a medical. Last year my life was completely changed after a simple operation has left me in lots of pain sometimes and unbelievable agony and bed bound the rest of the time. My case was referred to them LAST April and been told in January that there was a massive backlog and they didn't know when my ESA medical was going to be completed. I'm not sure how many of you are aware of the actual money side but cab has told me no matter what the outcome of the medical I will be on least £50 more a week, so because of this I have lost out on £2400 due to them not completing the medical when referred, as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't be asking to be let out of the contract early, they should have it taken away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 That's when atos actually gives you a medical. Last year my life was completely changed after a simple operation has left me in lots of pain sometimes and unbelievable agony and bed bound the rest of the time. My case was referred to them LAST April and been told in January that there was a massive backlog and they didn't know when my ESA medical was going to be completed. I'm not sure how many of you are aware of the actual money side but cab has told me no matter what the outcome of the medical I will be on least £50 more a week, so because of this I have lost out on £2400 due to them not completing the medical when referred, as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't be asking to be let out of the contract early, they should have it taken away You will not loose out it will be backdated to the day you filled in the form Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Just to be clear neither ATOS or Capita do "medicals", for ESA you are given a "work capability assessment", this is set out by the DWP and must be followed exactly by whoever you see. This assessment was designed (by the DWP) to remove at least 25% of those claiming benefits whether they deserved them or not. A similar system is in place for PIP, you are not medically assessed just checked to see how whatever illness or disabilities you have impacts on your life, and again the system used for this is laid out by the DWP and must be followed by the assessor. As much as ATOS and to a lesser extent (so far) Capita are hated by claimants you must remember that it's the DWP and Iain Duncan Smith who are responsible for the tests and decisions made from those tests, all ATOS/Capita assessments go to a DWP decision maker who is the person that makes the final decision based on a report made by a system designed to maximise the claimants chance of failing. There are massive backlogs of both ESA and PIP assessments, as from the end of February anyone due for an ESA re-assessment is being given up to a 2 year deferment to allow the DWP to wade through the backlog. For PIP during the first 6 months after its introduction only around 20% of the expected number of assessments were completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 You seem to know your benefits inside out phaedra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Unfortunately I have had experience with the DWP, Social Care Direct and local NHS Trust for the last 13 years both for myself and my Autistic son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 am i understanding this right if you get sick and make a claim you may get no help for a long time until your assessed? i dont know anything about this stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted March 30, 2014 Report Share Posted March 30, 2014 Short answer is yes. There are disabled people who have applied for PIP (the replacement for Disability Living Allowance) that are still waiting for a face to face assessment with either ATOS or Capita who perform the assessments for the DWP 6 to 9 months later. Having had an assessment they will then face a further wait while ATOS or Capita prepare their report for the DWP. Once the DWP have the report it may be rejected and sent back to ATOS or Capita for clarification or any other reason, this can, and has, happened to claimants reports several times, there is no set time for ATOS or Capita to provide the reports to the DWP. Once a DWP decision maker is happy with the report he will then use it to decide what (if any) points you are awarded, this point score then determines whether you qualify for a benefit payment under PIP and (if you do) what level of payment you receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) so to meets the targets you just dont assess new claiments Edited March 31, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) No, you basically give almost everyone (over 70%) 0 points (or just enough not to qualify) and force those who are able to request a mandatory reconsideration or lodge an appeal. Unfortunately the DWP are well aware that the majority of DLA/PIP claimants who fail these tests are the most vulnerable members of society and more often than not will either be unaware of how to appeal or simply be too ill or frightened to do so. Just to make it even better the government wants to start charging people to make an appeal! thus putting yet another hurdle in the way of getting a fair assessment and the appropriate benefits. Edited March 31, 2014 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) the government wants to start charging people to make an appeal! thus putting yet another hurdle in the way of getting a fair assessment and the appropriate benefits. they need voting out pronto disgraceful any government would charge sick people to appeal Edited March 31, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Check DWP web site for backlog times we have an o/s claim for our terminally ill son and it says 105 days. On phoning them we are told 'don't worry the benefit will still be paid even if he dies in the meantime....' So if you really needed that cash what do you do, take out a payday loan?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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