ghosty Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 I was wondering if there was anyone who would know whether it would be possible to get my SGC back, it was rescinded twenty odd years ago. I live in Kent and my 'crime' was to hit a postman who was delivering mail, and my brief told me to say that I had SGC to prove I was an upstanding member of the community, they took my SGC of me, gave me a fine and also an ABH record. I realise that in these circumstances my ABH will still be on my record, (also, I have not been in trouble since) but, will they still hold it against me? Is it possible to get my SGC back? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 I was wondering if there was anyone who would know whether it would be possible to get my SGC back, it was rescinded twenty odd years ago. I live in Kent and my 'crime' was to hit a postman who was delivering mail, and my brief told me to say that I had SGC to prove I was an upstanding member of the community, they took my SGC of me, gave me a fine and also an ABH record. I realise that in these circumstances my ABH will still be on my record, (also, I have not been in trouble since) but, will they still hold it against me? Is it possible to get my SGC back? Thanks in advance. Ring the FLO and ask. You've nothing to lose Best of luck Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Twenty years is a very long time if you've been good since. I suppose it depends how hard you hit the bloke, and why. I should think you'd be ok by now, but the best bet is to apply and find out. I applied thinking I'd never get one, but just wanted to know for sure one way or the other so I didn't spend my whole life wondering! I was charged with posession of an explosive seven years ago and didn't think I stood a chance, but after a grilling from my FEO, the cert is in my hands. If you didn't do time for it, or got less than 3 years (I think, or it may be 5) you stand a chance after 5 years of good behaviour has passed. Go for it, you have nothing to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 You will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 With this Rehabilitation Of Offenders act, they have to give you a fair chance. As embarassed as it is to say but my last offence was for defending myself in an Indian takeaway..... in brief I was prosecuted for GBH occasioning wounding with malicious intent. It sounds a million times worse than what it is.....I fought back and hurt someone....that was in 1997, I was granted my SGC because of this act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 With this Rehabilitation Of Offenders act, they have to give you a fair chance. As embarassed as it is to say but my last offence was for defending myself in an Indian takeaway..... in brief I was prosecuted for GBH occasioning wounding with malicious intent. It sounds a million times worse than what it is.....I fought back and hurt someone....that was in 1997, I was granted my SGC because of this act. What did you do, hit the dude with your bag of hot curry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 With this Rehabilitation Of Offenders act, they have to give you a fair chance. As embarassed as it is to say but my last offence was for defending myself in an Indian takeaway..... in brief I was prosecuted for GBH occasioning wounding with malicious intent. It sounds a million times worse than what it is.....I fought back and hurt someone....that was in 1997, I was granted my SGC because of this act. What did you do, hit the dude with your bag of hot curry? Lets just hope it wasnt a hot vindaloo with extra chillies in the eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 What did you do, hit the dude with your bag of hot curry? What.?? and spill my curry .... are you mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 It wasn't the best part of my life....I just wish i'd met my Mrs 10yrs earlier......well I did but she was only 14 then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 my 'crime' was to hit a postman who was delivering mail dont you just hate junk mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Go for it, I was aressted and charged with ABH while acting in self defence in 1994, I never thought that I would be granted a certificate again, the FLO came to see me, asked me loads of questions about the offence and if I regretted it and wanted a reassurance that it would not happen again, 7 days later I had my certificate, he told me on the day he came to see me that he would approve it. If you are already attending shoots and can name the grounds that you shoot at and have had some professional coaching / lessons all fairly recently it will show that you are a respnsible gun, denial of a cert will just mean you can not store a gun at home, bear that in mind and build yourself up a case in which you can not be refused showing how mature and respnsible you are, thats exactly what I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_k Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 down here in dorset as long as you have been a good boy for more than 5 years then they will give u a ticket. so get on the phone and get the forms filled in! good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Go for it, I was aressted and charged with ABH while acting in self defence in 1994, I never thought that I would be granted a certificate again, the FLO came to see me, asked me loads of questions about the offence and if I regretted it and wanted a reassurance that it would not happen again, 7 days later I had my certificate, he told me on the day he came to see me that he would approve it. If you are already attending shoots and can name the grounds that you shoot at and have had some professional coaching / lessons all fairly recently it will show that you are a respnsible gun, denial of a cert will just mean you can not store a gun at home, bear that in mind and build yourself up a case in which you can not be refused showing how mature and respnsible you are, thats exactly what I did. I think thats what held it in my favour was that I had my family....we had also just brought home our 1 week old baby girl(our 2nd child) and I think he was more interested in hearing about her...... I was a nuisance more than a criminal when I was younger and my FEO was a good decent bloke who didn't hold any grudges. He said that he could see that I wasn't the person on that file anymore and he didn't see a problem with my application. 1 thing he did was ask my Mrs if she was happy for me to have shotguns or firearms in the house with the kids.....my Mrs has grown up with them...her father, uncles and cousins all had them....then he smiled and said ..now I can't see any problems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Rehabilitation Of Offenders act, does not apply in these cases. GBH occasioning wounding with malicious intent. what where you defending yourself with. a axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 nah a curry nah sorry it ain't funny the act doesn't apply but it is used as reference....if you have been out of all trouble for the past 6yrs then they are willing to look at your application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosty Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Thanks for the replies, I have rang an asked for the forms. I have been shooting still all this time, my dad took possesion of my guns and I just shoot with him. But, like Nic I just have to find out once and for all. After all, it was just one of them teenage things hitting the postie, but I certainly paid a high price loosing my cert. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Shouldn't be a problem after 20 odd years and you'd didn't serve time (did you?). You will have to admit it on the application form plus any other misdemeanours Next time (hopefully there won't be one) get yourself a brief who isn't an anti. That was one bad piece of advice but just maybe he didn't like shooters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 good luck with your application. I put my form 103 in last week. I'm 37 and spent 6+ years in the Army. Before that, I was a total ****; several convictions, including one for a Firmarms offence. I injured a passer-bye, whilst shooting tin cans off of a fence. Genuine accident and 21 years ago! I'm waiting for my interveiw but, I don't expect to by turned down. Because, I am not the same person I was twenty odd years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 With this Rehabilitation Of Offenders act, they have to give you a fair chance. As embarassed as it is to say but my last offence was for defending myself in an Indian takeaway..... in brief I was prosecuted for GBH occasioning wounding with malicious intent. It sounds a million times worse than what it is.....I fought back and hurt someone....that was in 1997, I was granted my SGC because of this act. Did the GBH mean Gujerati Balti House? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHNNY_RAZOR Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Is it worth my buddy Mick the spik applying? It was 20 years since that post office job he was accused of was thrown out of court because of allegations of police brutality. He still has the shotgun but it's now 2 foot shorter, will it still be o.k. for clays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Delboy used izzy higgins' sawn off pump action at a pheasant shoot in an episode of only fools and horses once, so I'd say that was legal precedent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Is it worth my buddy Mick the spik applying? It was 20 years since that post office job he was accused of was thrown out of court because of allegations of police brutality.He still has the shotgun but it's now 2 foot shorter, will it still be o.k. for clays? You may struggle a bit with trap but probably better suited to skeet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Thanks for the replies, I have rang an asked for the forms. I have been shooting still all this time, my dad took possesion of my guns and I just shoot with him. But, like Nic I just have to find out once and for all. After all, it was just one of them teenage things hitting the postie, but I certainly paid a high price loosing my cert. Thanks again. Hello Ghosty, How have you got on, with your re-application? I hope you kept the the faith and applied, as I sure you'll be successful. I had/caused some problems when I was in my teens (19/20 years ago) but I was granted my SGC on Tuesday last week, although I'm still waiting for it to arrive before I can go shopping! One thing I did find, 'thought this may vary from force to force, is that there's none of my details on the Police National Computer, and this may be the same for you. When records were computerised in the 1990's a decision, to limit the number of old records included on the PNC, was made by ACPO (the Association of Chef Police Officers). In effect; offences which were already considered "spent" under the Re-abillitation of Offenders Act, and which were thought to be relatively minor, eg not sent to prison etc, were not included, and in many cases, simply destroyed - largely due to worries over the data protection act, with regard in keeping personal details which were of little or no use. I forgot to declare something on my application and so I rang my local Firearms Licensing Office to advise them, before I got the visit. The bloke I spoke to told me not the bother sending another application or writing a cover leter, and just to tell the FEO when he visits, which I started to do, but the FEO, an ex copper of 31 years wasn't even interested, as he had checked for any current/resent criminal history and found nothing, and anything inportant would have shown up. This was confirmed later during the interveiw, when I mentioned that I had spent six years in the army, the FEO didn't already know it, which he should have done, if he'd had a full copy of my past history as I had failed to tell him about a Service Discipline Offence (fighting other soldiers, in a German Pub), that I'd conmitted. So all in all I think you'll be ok. Good luck, regards Lefty478 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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