pigeon mad Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Hi guys when seating the 53 grain v max bullet into my 223 case (I'm using the lee classic loader) how do u no the perfect depth to put the bullet in do I go the the over all maximum length 57,40mm or does it matter if I'm a bit under thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Common practice (but not law) is .020" off the rifling. A dummy round is loaded and bullet seated to just allow the bolt to close. Now adjust the die to give .020" or so more bullet seating. Now check the round fits the magazine. Now make a note of the length. I am not sure if your reloader has an adjustable bullet seating depth! If it does quarter a turn should suffice. If it does not and the long v-max is seating to deep it may increase pressures slightly but rarely will it be dangerous. If it shots good with it seated deep what is the problem ATB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon mad Posted May 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Great advice there mate thanks they look perfect like u say if they shoot good I'm happy !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 follow your realoading manual it gives completed over all length doesnt matter much if its under a little unless your running at max powder load ie compressed load ,i load the 55 grain vmax with excellent results ,what powder you running Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 There is a debate about whether the bullet should just seat on the rifling so that there is no pressure spike just a steady acceleration. When not actually touching the bore the bullet accelerates freely then hits the rifling and holds up slightly whilst the pressure spikes and the bullet resumes its transit. I was lucky, the guy I bought the rifle off gave me an OAL for the bullet and an ogive to check with, so my OAL is slightly longer, allowing the bullet to just seat in the rifling. Makes it a little more accurate I am told. The OAL quoted in reloading manuals does not allow for your guns individual characteistics. An ogive is a very useful tool if you have the correct OAL measured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 The trouble with touching the rifling is that a situation can arise that a bullet could get stuck! Not to bad at the range but a pain in the field. The other aspect is that some powders need that spike you mention to kick in so to speak! Lots of folk think the word spike is a bad word in the shooting world. All graphs of pressure and time from barrels will show some spike or peak. Atb . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon mad Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Thanks guys I'm using h 380 remmy couldent get hold of any vergant ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Are you using an oal gauge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon mad Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Not at the mo mate should I buy a caliper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 If you want best results yes, have a look on 6mm br website. They probably have a guide or try youtube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I have a mitotyo? very uesful and you simply attach the ogive to one end of the caliper, zero it and you are off. I have not yet lost a bullet in the barrel and, you can always crimp. - I dont personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jam1e Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) As you're currently using a Lee Classic Loader, I think buying very costly calipers/Vernier gauge isn't the way to go. imo. Very few people will get the true benefit of a set of mitotyo calipers. And at well over £100 a set, you would be better off buying a press, and some competition dies and a decent ogive comparator. I have a Hornady set and they're not that good. You're better of with a set from "Shooting Shed", in the link below - http://shootingshed.co.uk/oscom/product_info.php?cPath=38&products_id=84 Don't get me wrong, if you're into 1000 yard bench rest shooting then you'll get the benefit from the mitotyo calipers. At this point, I'd avoid buying a shooting brand named set of calipers too, as you will just pay for the name. I went to a motor engineering shop and spent £20 on a set of "Clarke" calipers, and they're just the job. Accurate and consistent. They're in the link below. http://www.tool-net.co.uk/p-349735/clarke-cm145.html?gclid=CIeQ1_f0y74CFSEcwwodYLwAFA Just my pence worth.... Jamie Edited May 27, 2014 by jam1e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon mad Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) Cheers Jamie ya I just got a set of calipers for 18 quid out of my local builders merchants they will do the job I'm sure the lee classic will do me fine for now as I'm using rounds for fox deer not much target really so won't to need to load many rounds at a time thanks for all the info guys will get a few pics up when it's christened :) Cheers Jamie ya I just got a set of calipers for 18 quid out of my local builders merchants they will do the job I'm sure the lee classic will do me fine for now as I'm using rounds for fox deer not much target really so won't to need to load many rounds at a time thanks for all the info guys will get a few pics up when it's christened :) Edited May 27, 2014 by pigeon mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Cheers Jamie ya I just got a set of calipers for 18 quid out of my local builders merchants they will do the job I'm sure the lee classic will do me fine for now as I'm using rounds for fox deer not much target really so won't to need to load many rounds at a time thanks for all the info guys will get a few pics up when it's christened :) Cheers Jamie ya I just got a set of calipers for 18 quid out of my local builders merchants they will do the job I'm sure the lee classic will do me fine for now as I'm using rounds for fox deer not much target really so won't to need to load many rounds at a time thanks for all the info guys will get a few pics up when it's christened :) That's a serious stutter you got there pm! Only jesting, happy shooting! Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Another tip that is relevent is you are talking metric And there are not many folk that talk in mm or fractions of, 99% of folk mention fractions or thou of this, example in post #2 Some body i know got mixed up and started in imperial and moved over to metric, just stick to imperial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon mad Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 That's what is written on the lee chart in th lee case Doug so just went off that and and and I I I don't don't don't no no what u mean Jamie lol lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 That's what is written on the lee chart in th lee case Doug so just went off that and and and I I I don't don't don't no no what u mean Jamie lol lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 funny thing is people knock the lee loaders but the bullet seater produces less variation than a lot of seater dies in a press!!! don't be sucked it to thinking closer to the lands is better in all situations I have three rifles that group like a shotgun if not loaded with a considerable jump to the lands When starting a load common practice is to load the bullet at least a calibre depth ON THE BEARING SURFACE. now with some bullets and cartridges this combination is not possible (try loading a 39mm long 208gr 300wm round by only 7.62mm!) shoot what works IN YOUR RIFLE not what works in other peoples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon mad Posted May 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Good advice thanks a lot ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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