everycal Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Just been told by BASC that I am not insured if shooting an air rifle around buildings for pest control. Not on or in buildings, just near them. I have everyone's permission and it is un paid pest control and risk assessed. The pigeons are making a right mess of the building, walkways and property around, machinery, vehicles etc. BASC are saying that the owner of the buildings should insure me as it is their loss due tot he damage being caused. Surely then a farmer should be insuring me when shooting pigeons eating his crops or rats eating his feed? I thought the whole point of BASC insurance was to cover you for unpaid pest control activities? What else wouldn't they cover if that isn't the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 What does the policy say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I guess it all comes down to what is considered recreational shooting. Shooting in what could be classed as an industrial environment where risk assessments are required is not really a countryside shooting sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 And here is the punch line.... Pest control with airguns or any other firearm is covered under the BASC policy. There is nothing at all in the policy that prevents you from shooting around or indeed in a building such as a barn for exmaple...with an important exception, if this a place where you work, and you are being asked by your employer to control the pests, then your employer is vicariously liable for your actions, and thus their insurance would have to apply. If its simply somewhere you have permission to shoot , there should not be an issue. So please get in contact with me and tell me exactly the circumstances and I will clarify, in writing if you wish. As importantly let me know who you spoke to thanks David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Thanks David, your reply helps me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Why is it that David always has to take the flak for what "someone" said at basc? After many many years of being a member and getting no help at all when I needed help, I'm no longer a member and never will be again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Why? Because I am here, and I am here to help when ever I can. As I have said before, if any one has any issues with BASC or what someone at BASC said, or if you feel BASC did not help then tell me and I will try my best to sort it out, as I have time and time again over the many years I have been on this forum David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Why? Because I am here, and I am here to help when ever I can. As I have said before, if any one has any issues with BASC or what someone at BASC said, or if you feel BASC did not help then tell me and I will try my best to sort it out, as I have time and time again over the many years I have been on this forum David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Why? Because I am here, and I am here to help when ever I can. As I have said before, if any one has any issues with BASC or what someone at BASC said, or if you feel BASC did not help then tell me and I will try my best to sort it out, as I have time and time again over the many years I have been on this forum David Like this! This is how business should be done by everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I am really glad I read this thread. Only a week ago I contacted the BASC Lisburn offices asking the exact same questions. Am I insured to undertake unpaid pest control for my employer on their industrial premesis? The reply I got was YES, you are insured by the BASC, providing I have vermin control conditioned on my certificate for the air rifle. Am I now right in thinking that the BASC would have told me where to go if something happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Although not enough to attract me back to BASC, I'll be the first to admit that the work that David does on here and other forums is above and beyond and should be applauded.. No David, I've not gone soft in the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Dave, Thanks mate, hope you are well good to hear from you an glad we have brushed our past differences under the carpet David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Dan, I have checked with the person you spoke to in the NI office, the question was over the condition on your licence, and if pest control is on your licence then yes its legal for you to do pest control at work. However, the vicarious liability aspect applies in your case when pest controlling at work and any claim would fall against your employer. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 There was no question over the condition on my licence David. Yes it was discussed on the phone, but why would I ring the basc to find out if I could do pest control when I know it's already conditioned on my licence? My query was whether or not I would be insured by the BASC to perform pest control for my employer, and the reply was yes. What else did the girl say to you on the phone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Little else over and above what I have already posted. But for clarity, if you are shooting at work at the request of your employer your employer is responsible and they must check that this activity is covered under their insurance. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 If it wasn't my employer would I be covered for industrial premesis vermin control in a public place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) Yes, if its not your place of work. Edited June 28, 2014 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Very helpful as usual David thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Dave, Thanks mate, hope you are well good to hear from you an glad we have brushed our past differences under the carpet David There have never been any differences between us on a personal level. Organisationally there's a definite difference but David Isley as a person, as an ambassador for generic shooting and as a person (despite BASC) certainly can't be faulted by anyone if they're honest. You keep it up David. There's a lot of common ground between ALL shooting organisations and maybe someone, be it an organisation or an individual, should consider harmonising it and presenting a combined front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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