merseapaul Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I have always found the best Hi - velocity round in my Finfire where Remington Yellow Jacket, CCI ammo is pantsBit harsh on cci there Steveo!, maybe your rifle does not like them but as much as I hate to say it thousands of Americans and Australians who probably get through a hell of a lot more ammo than us in uk would disagree.👎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Bit harsh on cci there Steveo!, maybe your rifle does not like them but as much as I hate to say it thousands of Americans and Australians who probably get through a hell of a lot more ammo than us in uk would disagree. hahah sorry my bad !! I was ment to say there pants in my rifle , my mistake I was typing a message to Figgy at the same time , I had better check to see what he got in his message ;-) joking aside I just could not get on with the CCI stuff , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 hahah sorry my bad !! I was ment to say there pants in my rifle , my mistake I was typing a message to Figgy at the same time , I had better check to see what he got in his message ;-) joking aside I just could not get on with the CCI stuff , Know what you mean, after a lot of testing my cz 452 likes winchester and cci subs equally, there is literally nothing between them so to avoid any mental hang ups on my part I mix them 50 50 ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Been having a think about why this happens and yes I have seen it at times! I figure they hear the whack as the sub strikes and run from were it is located, with the HV they just cant place the threat so sometimes don't know the direction to run in. Now this Morn I shot four bunnies sequentially with subs literally one two, three, four all with in feet of each other in a walled yard outside an empty cattle shed. I don't think I recall ever doing that with HMR or Hornet etc., indeed I got very few doubles with the HMR ( though that could just be were and when I used it) The multiples I have shot with the hornet have mostly been more distant and its quieter than the HMR was with their respective moderators so I cant really class those in with the .22 lr. If you honestly stuck to choose just do what practically all bunny shooters do with their .22s and use subs (other than that its your choice as an individual) most of my 22lr work is with subs as i now have nv so it kind of completes the package silent and almost invisible, i have had it a few times with the hmr i once emptied 2x 5 shot clips on one group of rabbit's got 7 or 8 before the last few ran, i also think you get the multiple shots more this time of year as a large proportion of the rabbits are this years and they don't know what danger they are in or it takes them longer to figure it out, certainly don't get many on the cold winter nights with the older rabbits, also sunday night was very windy which was the main reason for me using the hv as i thought keeping the distance down to 50-60 yards with hv they would get to target quicker with less drift , and i think the wind certainly mast's a lot of the noise colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) too right , its a funny old game with the rimfire ammo , a said my finfire loved yellow jackets and I mean really loved them , however my old CZ hated them , the CCI stingers were better in it , I spent ages trying to find a decent fast round , in the end I just give up and stayed with eley subs , out to 100 yrds on a good day and a steady hand were amazing to say the least Edited August 20, 2014 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 most of my 22lr work is with subs as i now have nv so it kind of completes the package silent and almost invisible, i have had it a few times with the hmr i once emptied 2x 5 shot clips on one group of rabbit's got 7 or 8 before the last few ran, i also think you get the multiple shots more this time of year as a large proportion of the rabbits are this years and they don't know what danger they are in or it takes them longer to figure it out, certainly don't get many on the cold winter nights with the older rabbits, also sunday night was very windy which was the main reason for me using the hv as i thought keeping the distance down to 50-60 yards with hv they would get to target quicker with less drift , and i think the wind certainly mast's a lot of the noise colin I think you need to be very careful talking about improved drift because a .17 hmr and a .22 sub are not a real practical difference apart at 100 yards Also every single HV I tested was worse not better at bucking the wind. RWS subs seem especially good in the wind (though they are about the slowest you can get). Its very, very hard to outrun wind as time of flight is pretty much similar in the slowest to the fastest 40 grn and once you get to stingers and the proper HV stuff its always a lighter bullet (again not fast enough to outrun anything on TOF) Far better off doing your own side by side tests on a suitable wind to back up what I say here, its a great learning experiance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I did with mungolee off here we sat side by side shooting 60yards at targets that were sitting next to eachother he was using his hmr and me with lr and subs both shooting at same time so they went through same 10mph side winds 5 shots each and the lr with subs drifted a lot more than the hmr, we wanted to test them both to compare not a propper test but paper can't lie Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 On Tuesday I had a good session with my newish to me Remington YellowJacket semi using mainly CCI subs which it cycles all day and a box of Winchester subs which it cycles OK after a trip to the gunsmiths to get the action and trigger smoothed up. One of my farms currently has a huge dung pile which I used as a back stop and from a not overly comfortable but rested on a fence position, I was shooting clumps of chalk the size of golf balls from 130 yards !!! How much more accuracy does anyone need ? Granted not every shot connected mainly because it's just so easy to squeeze round after round quickly but it soon became obvious that the gun was capable of hitting an apple at that range almost every time using subs !!! There were one or two people around the place but it was obvious they couldn't even hear me shooting, later in the day I stopped off at several other farms and plinked / practiced with the combo pretty much hitting anything between 20 - 80 yards (250 rounds altogether), no way could you do that with HV rounds and not raise a few heckles. I did use the odd HV round when I first had my CZ years ago but like most people found them less accurate but much louder so personally can't see the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I did with mungolee off here we sat side by side shooting 60yards at targets that were sitting next to eachother he was using his hmr and me with lr and subs both shooting at same time so they went through same 10mph side winds 5 shots each and the lr with subs drifted a lot more than the hmr, we wanted to test them both to compare not a propper test but paper can't lie Colin Yet at nearly twice as far 100 yards the difference is less than 1" between an SK sub and a 17grn HMR in a full value 10 mph wind. To be frank I cant call good enough to call the difference at 100 let alone at 60 as a 2 mph shift will make them more or less equal. Respectfully try shooting HV and LR for the same gun same shooter and work out the group shift average measured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yet at nearly twice as far 100 yards the difference is less than 1" between an SK sub and a 17grn HMR in a full value 10 mph wind. To be frank I cant call good enough to call the difference at 100 let alone at 60 as a 2 mph shift will make them more or less equal. Respectfully try shooting HV and LR for the same gun same shooter and work out the group shift average measured after this thread i am keen to try a few variables not to prove anyone right or wrong more to actually know the answer for myself when i do get a chance to try a few i shall post results ie the targets colin On Tuesday I had a good session with my newish to me Remington YellowJacket semi using mainly CCI subs which it cycles all day and a box of Winchester subs which it cycles OK after a trip to the gunsmiths to get the action and trigger smoothed up. One of my farms currently has a huge dung pile which I used as a back stop and from a not overly comfortable but rested on a fence position, I was shooting clumps of chalk the size of golf balls from 130 yards !!! How much more accuracy does anyone need ? Granted not every shot connected mainly because it's just so easy to squeeze round after round quickly but it soon became obvious that the gun was capable of hitting an apple at that range almost every time using subs !!! There were one or two people around the place but it was obvious they couldn't even hear me shooting, later in the day I stopped off at several other farms and plinked / practiced with the combo pretty much hitting anything between 20 - 80 yards (250 rounds altogether), no way could you do that with HV rounds and not raise a few heckles. I did use the odd HV round when I first had my CZ years ago but like most people found them less accurate but much louder so personally can't see the point. what kind of hold over did you need for that sort of distance and what distance was your scope zeroed at??? colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) after this thread i am keen to try a few variables not to prove anyone right or wrong more to actually know the answer for myself when i do get a chance to try a few i shall post results ie the targets colin what kind of hold over did you need for that sort of distance and what distance was your scope zeroed at??? colin a 50yd zero you would be looking at 18 inch drop with winchester subs Edited August 21, 2014 by la bala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 what kind of hold over did you need for that sort of distance and what distance was your scope zeroed at??? colin I have shot air guns and rim fires for a very long time but you have to believe me when I say the holdover was next to none ! I have not had this rifle long and have yet to settle on a precise zero range, the last time I had used the gun I zeroed it at a very short range of maybe 20 yards, later that day shot two rabbits in the head even though I was aiming for the mid body to make sure of a hit/kill as I was not sure about the POI ! On Tuesday I missed a pigeon on the dung pile because I instinctively held 10" high only to find that I could aim at whatever I wanted and just shoot ! I was as surprised as you must be to read this, within a clip or two I was finding that I could either hit tiny chalk pieces or at least cause them to move at that distance ! One explanation could be because I was using a metal post to rest the back of my hand on which may have contributed to a lift in bullet flight path because when I shot the gun on other farms using the car as a rest the trajectory seemed a lot more believable. I have not touched the scope at all so can take you to the exact spot / farm, you will not believe the accuracy of this rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseapaul Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 a 50yd zero you would be looking at 18 inch drop with winchester subs I have 50 yard zero but don't get no more than 6-7 inch drop with winchester and cci subs??. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 a 50yd zero you would be looking at 18 inch drop with winchester subs Can you qualify that please, are you saying Winchester subs zeroed at 50 yards drop 18" to 100 yards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Can you qualify that please, are you saying Winchester subs zeroed at 50 yards drop 18" to 100 yards? think he was quoting on 130 yards that Hamster was shooting at colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 To get your drops you have to shoot the ammo. That said a 50 yds zero with most subs and 6-8" drop at 100 yards is the rule, Once you get to 100 yards and over ammo quality takes a whole new meaning in .22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 after this thread i am keen to try a few variables not to prove anyone right or wrong more to actually know the answer for myself when i do get a chance to try a few i shall post results ie the targets colin what kind of hold over did you need for that sort of distance and what distance was your scope zeroed at??? colin You should do this and I should keep it to yourself personally as the nat sayers will come out in force I do most of my practice at 100 + these days with a scope zeroed at 50 yards. Ammo makes a big difference to were you end up as regards drop and wind and you will find a lot of what some of the guys say on here about long shots is more than hearsay. If you want to fudge around the numbers on a PC just remember .22 ammo has very different BC per brand and speed is often listed different bt manufacture than you actually get with a chrono, so use it as a guide only. .22 is a fantastic long range trainer because its so much more effected by everything climatic and you can burn a lot of ammo for little cost and barrel wear Occasionally I do a long shot on quarry with .22 lr but its not common at the moment with my shoulder still in post op recovery its very unwise for me to push things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I have Winchester,sk,and rws subs so will try them should get a good idea as they the makes my cz likes Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Can you qualify that please, are you saying Winchester subs zeroed at 50 yards drop 18" to 100 yards? Was looking up drop at 130yds if zeroed at 50yds Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Was looking up drop at 130yds if zeroed at 50yds Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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