English sporter

[a.f.dickin]

So,I have been trying to keep consistent with improving my shooting and keeping to hull comp x 28g, but they sold out today and reccomend English sporter cartridges... Any opinions, I was worried as so far just read the are dirty.... Anyway it's only a slab I bought

[shaun4860]

They will kick more

 

Comp X are a soft cartridge

 

[Floating Chamber]

English Sporter? Made for men!

[deershooter]

Orston shooting ground get through 30,000 per month with no complaints

 

Deershooter

[berettadevon]

i used to use the english sporters all the time but then the power blue range came out so went over to them, short time later the power reds came out and now is all i use up the club!!!

[STOTTO]

They are all that I have been using for years, plastic wad 71/2s. Clean burning, hard hitting good price, last time a bought some. Downside, maybe a little punchy but on my gun with a plastic butt-plate that is very manageable.

[Uncle Albert]

They do have a bit of a kick but are good cartridges. I turned to them when my S/A wouldn't cycle CompX. Can be a trifle dirty though.

[a.f.dickin]

Well out today with them, they are a little more punchy, but not that bad and a little muckier, think I'll stick to my hull comp x next time but not bad, and cheap!

[clayman]

You get what you pay for. English Sporter is Lyalvale's budget offering - and to get the price components are all lower cost items in the assembly. Cheaper powders detonate fully in the chamber giving a sharp recoil ( Clear winner is another example). Powders like these cause pellet deformation, and ragged edges to pattern definition, plus longer cone-ed shot strings. Result is less effective pellets. Increased recoil also means that gun fatigue can be an issue. What the ESP are good for is your wallet, as they are cheap.

 

Spend not a great deal more, and you can get vastly improved ballistics. The HVE range uses a progressive AA Vectan powder, improved wad, and higher antinomy in the pellets. These all improve perceived recoil - ( softer feeling in the shoulder ), as well as deforming less pellets and throwing a better defined pattern.

 

While others will have their opinions, I am of the view that 24g HVE's out perform 28g ESP, because the improved ballistics have much the same number of effective pellets in the working pattern, less side flyers and fewer trailers, plus added benefit of less recoil, and therefore better ability to put the pattern in the right place ( what its all about really!).

 

Remember that the pattern of a cartridge is the same diameter whether its 24g or 28g, the only difference is density. So a good lighter cartridge can actually have more working pellets in the choke circle and lower grade cartridges can easily loose 20% as side flyers that do nothing.

 

Pound for Pound, I'd suggest that 24g HVE's in the Lyalvale range would be a better choice with not much price differential.

 

If you really must put 28g out there, look for attributes in the cartridge design that gives good patterns and low recoil. Progressive burn powders, good wads, crimp style,and antinomy alloyed shot. Fiocchi are a good choice in that criteria.

[alastair0903]

You get what you pay for. English Sporter is Lyalvale's budget offering - and to get the price components are all lower cost items in the assembly. Cheaper powders detonate fully in the chamber giving a sharp recoil ( Clear winner is another example). Powders like these cause pellet deformation, and ragged edges to pattern definition, plus longer cone-ed shot strings. Result is less effective pellets. Increased recoil also means that gun fatigue can be an issue. What the ESP are good for is your wallet, as they are cheap.

 

Spend not a great deal more, and you can get vastly improved ballistics. The HVE range uses a progressive AA Vectan powder, improved wad, and higher antinomy in the pellets. These all improve perceived recoil - ( softer feeling in the shoulder ), as well as deforming less pellets and throwing a better defined pattern.

 

While others will have their opinions, I am of the view that 24g HVE's out perform 28g ESP, because the improved ballistics have much the same number of effective pellets in the working pattern, less side flyers and fewer trailers, plus added benefit of less recoil, and therefore better ability to put the pattern in the right place ( what its all about really!).

 

Remember that the pattern of a cartridge is the same diameter whether its 24g or 28g, the only difference is density. So a good lighter cartridge can actually have more working pellets in the choke circle and lower grade cartridges can easily loose 20% as side flyers that do nothing.

 

Pound for Pound, I'd suggest that 24g HVE's in the Lyalvale range would be a better choice with not much price differential.

 

If you really must put 28g out there, look for attributes in the cartridge design that gives good patterns and low recoil. Progressive burn powders, good wads, crimp style,and antinomy alloyed shot. Fiocchi are a good choice in that criteria.

Cannot agree more with this , I have just shot a round with power reds and found them far to lively . Not only that but my scores went down .

I have been shooting well with express hve 24 gram 8's but the power reds are a step backwards for me

Edited November 9, 2014 by alastair0903