terence Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Hi everyone ive got 2 winchester 101 shotguns 1 is side/side supergrade cerial no pwk005930 1 is over under cerial no k384815 can any body help in ageing the guns done a search on internet but no lookThanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffin Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hi dating Winchesters of the 101 age is difficult as I understand it dates and numbers not transferred when production stopped. If you go on Dawson's Doubles website you can get the history of the mod 23 s/s as he wrote it. I think he probably has more knowledge of the 101 but to busy to write the history.If you find out anymore would be pleased to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Over and under is 1982 to 1987. Can't get any more specific. Edited January 12, 2015 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 It was made in Japan by Olin-Kodensha fr for winchester, Serial numbers begin with "K", The serial number list goes up to 140,000 in 1971 afer that no serial number records survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Over and under is 1982 to 1987. Can't get any more specific. are you sure the O/U is that late Gordon, I have a 101 field that has K3 and another that has K4, these look by research to be very early 70's if not late 60's, i have the sales brochure but it does not give a print date, although you may well be correct these are both field models black action. It would be great if someone bought one new and could give the serial number, i always assumed mine was early just found this, as mine is a field not an XTR I assume K3 must be pre 1981?? Magnum field models, plus skeet and trap models, also came out in 1966. The XTR models, which replaced previous field models, came out in 1981, and Diamond-grade guns in trap and skeet configurations appeared in 1982. Multichoke versions date back to the late 1970s, and a UK favourite, the 101 Super Grade Game, dates back to the 1980s. there is a slight change in the forend wood fit this is K3 serial number Edited January 12, 2015 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I seem to remember that Supergrade was introduced in 1982, until they became Classic Doubles late 1987. I believe you are right. I have wrongly assumed both guns were Supergrade, but the O/U is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) in the booklet i have it lists Field, Skeet, Trap and Trap M/c Can you pop a pic up Terence? see if its like mine as has a similar K3 serial number just a thought if the booklet states multichoke as an option and in the post i lifted that says MC came out late 70's then i guess it could be a late 70's gun i have, i have seen some serial numbers as low as K1 on american sites mine is an unaltered 26" Field model imp cyl and mod choked , original winchester butt plate and in very very nice condition Edited January 12, 2015 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffin Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 That sounds a nice original field model next on my list Always wanted one Numbers are ever so confusing I have a 7000 field with fantastic wood the guy I bought it off always believed it to be the third last out the factory.541 no starts I then bought another with a latter no 543 this gun is a sleeper done nothing although did put paid to the idea the first one one of the last out the factory. I thought at one stage to record all numbers off 101 I saw and model for interest see how many there where sort of a registrar What brochure have you I have a couple of period brochure but not very explicit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 in the booklet i have it lists Field, Skeet, Trap and Trap M/c Can you pop a pic up Terence? see if its like mine as has a similar K3 serial number just a thought if the booklet states multichoke as an option and in the post i lifted that says MC came out late 70's then i guess it could be a late 70's gun i have, i have seen some serial numbers as low as K1 on american sites HI sishyplops cant load photos tried before without any luck mine is black action both barrels are marked skeet/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 are you sure the O/U is that late Gordon, I have a 101 field that has K3 and another that has K4, these look by research to be very early 70's if not late 60's, i have the sales brochure but it does not give a print date, although you may well be correct these are both field models black action. It would be great if someone bought one new and could give the serial number, i always assumed mine was early just found this, as mine is a field not an XTR I assume K3 must be pre 1981?? Magnum field models, plus skeet and trap models, also came out in 1966. The XTR models, which replaced previous field models, came out in 1981, and Diamond-grade guns in trap and skeet configurations appeared in 1982. Multichoke versions date back to the late 1970s, and a UK favourite, the 101 Super Grade Game, dates back to the 1980s. there is a slight change in the forend wood fit this is K3 serial number H isishyplops just looked at engraving on mine and it looks the same as yours in picture but where yours looks like when you close the action its against wood where mine closes against metal Thanks Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) They changed the forend slightly I believe mine us the early type The brochure I have is a single A4 page folded into 3, it just gives an outline of the 101 model, doesn't really go overboard on detail but tells you lop and comb heights, and how to disassemble etc, no more than barrels forend off though, it's leaflet 2082 I think Edited January 12, 2015 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Terence when you post there is a tab bottom right next to the " post" button that says "more reply options" there you will find the paper clip symbol to attach file , mind you it has a limited bit capacity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Terence when you post there is a tab bottom right next to the " post" button that says "more reply options" there you will find the paper clip symbol to attach file , mind you it has a limited bit capacity Thanks tried that brothers going to try and call in later to sort it for me pics need compressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Have a look at the British proof marks that should be on it as japanese proof was not recognised , Pre CIP , There will be a date code stamped somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Look for the proof date stamp should be a circle with two letters and a number if Birmingham proof . If London it will be LP82 or what ever year it was . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoz82 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The Winchester mod 23 could have an Italian proof mark (two letters in a box same as beretta) as my mod 23 pigeon grade xtr did and it was proofed in 1983 !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 are you sure the O/U is that late Gordon, I have a 101 field that has K3 and another that has K4, these look by research to be very early 70's if not late 60's, i have the sales brochure but it does not give a print date, although you may well be correct these are both field models black action. It would be great if someone bought one new and could give the serial number, i always assumed mine was early just found this, as mine is a field not an XTR I assume K3 must be pre 1981?? Magnum field models, plus skeet and trap models, also came out in 1966. The XTR models, which replaced previous field models, came out in 1981, and Diamond-grade guns in trap and skeet configurations appeared in 1982. Multichoke versions date back to the late 1970s, and a UK favourite, the 101 Super Grade Game, dates back to the 1980s. there is a slight change in the forend wood fit this is K3 serial number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Mine has the birmingham proof Mark but that's it, it has an "A" "B" "P" and "2" stamped in various places but no two are together Edited January 12, 2015 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 think ive found it LP78 so that makes it 1978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Can you post a pic where you found the letters please, our serial numbers are similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Can you post a pic where you found the letters please, our serial numbers are similar Hi cant do pic brothers gone if you turn barrels upside down its on the first 1/2 inch hope this helps Thanks to everyone who gave there help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Can you post a pic where you found the letters please, our serial numbers are similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Thanks for that, mine does not have anything stamped there except maybe half an L, the gun has hardly been used so there is no wear to that area Edited January 12, 2015 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Met up with moggy today who has a field model K4 the ejectors are totally different to mine and more akin to that of the nikko shadows, (same factory) I remember having a massive argument with a friend who said the 101 ejectors are the same as his shadow Indy to which I said no they are not to which he said yes they are etc etc, got a bit pantomime after that, so now it would seem both of us are correct , as dear old winchester did two types of ejectors on the same gun, good grief makes you want to buy a 325 grade 6 browning 30", anyone got one? Edited January 13, 2015 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Look up the American site "shotgun world " there are guys on there that seem or think they know every thing about guns but frequently show how little they actually do . That apart if any one has date for serial numbers on Winchesters some one there will . Edited January 14, 2015 by Gunman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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