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  1. Appologies if I am wrong here . From memory all the 720/728 range were made originaly for the US , they were baisicaly 702's but designated 720 for the US importer all in 26" with engine turned ribs .All guns made for the UK market at the time would have had the 6 figure number for example 144678 . As this gun has number 720004 , I assume would have been one of the guns shipped to the US . That said Webly did change the numbers around 1979/80 after I had left in 1977 ,proir to it the company being split and the double gun section reverting to W & C Scott . Without a proof date I can only say to the best of my knowledge it was one of the earlier guns . There were some unfinished barreled actions that could have been completed later and bore the numbers of the later series . Some of these were sold off to Frank Malin /Chales Boswell in Canada finished and sold as such and few on the home market. There had been delay in manufacture and dispatch as the US importer wanted them all in one batch to launch a sales campaign , There had also been a problem with the packing and shipping so on arrival the stocks had packing paper stuck to them . They were all rejected a with a raft of complaints , some justified some not . As a result the whole batch was returned to Webley for re finishing prior to re exporting .Hence the comments as to the superior finish . It would have been the early to mid 70;s during the time I worked for W& S and had the job of refinishing them so I do remember the numbers .
  2. These were made for the USA .The 720 range in 20 and the 728 in 28. Can't remember how many were made but it was around 250/300 in total many were sent out in a canvas and leather case .There were some later ones sold off in the white when future orders did not continue , but as this is an early number I suspect it has found its way home . They were all very well finished guns and above the standard of the guns being sold in the UK at the time .
  3. Back in the 80's a very Scruffy woman came into our shop looking for Xmas present for her husband , she looked around and asked about a cartridge bag . This one was priced at around £15 .00 . Do yo have any others she asked ,? yes but they £75.00 each .Oh she said I'll take two one for my son as well . You just can not always tell .
  4. The Webley 3 shot was always a bit iffy .
  5. Honestly can't remember , then again I was never that bothered with model names they were just guns and frequently pains in the xxxx to me .
  6. Churchill had guns made in the Birmingham trade .Wrights made many and were eventually taken over by a holding company that owned several gunmakers through acquisition of the likes of Webley and Scott, Atkin,Grant,Lang , Watson, Hellis, Beesley ,Hussey,and Lancaster . Churchill was split into two companies one in Birmingham who made the box locks and a London shop . There was much trouble and both companies folded . The name was then questionably re activated and is now operated selling continental guns under the Churchill name . I have seen a couple of original Churchill O/U's but was not over impressed .
  7. Not an " expert" but have some knowledge .Tread very carefully . There some very good examples but there are a lot of "done up" worn out old ones as well . Thing to remember is that the Dickson is a vastly different gun to most others so any future repair will be a matter of hand made parts and some one who has had some experience with them . These can few and far between. As well as all the normal things , proof , bore size , wall thickness overall condition , amount of original finish etc . check screw heads for signs that the gun has been taken apart many times , the stock is sound and tight on the action , That it is well on the face and that the lever locks down well as rejoints on them is not as straight forward as other guns . That the ejectors work well with cases not snap caps .
  8. Could be that Churchill could never make an O/U worth a light ,or even one that worked .
  9. It is not always necessary to use a try gun for a fitting . Yes it can help , just as much as to what shooting experience and how open minded the person being fitted is . Yo can NOT use an O/U try gun to get the dimensions for a SxS or vice versa , just as you can not transfer measurements from one to the other . If you want fitting for SxS then go to someone who is used to dealing with them and game shooters whether they have try gun or not . Dont forget the gun can fit you but will you fit the gun ? Old learned habits can be very hard to break so if you have shot O/U's then it may be a matter of learning all over again .
  10. The older C&G's that had wrought iron bodies rather than the later steel did tend to shoot loose with heavy use and heavier loads . These were designed in the days of black powder so the much punchier nito powders did give them more stress . Thing is they did tend to shoot loose and needed to be well maintained , which unfortunately many were not .The action was light weight with not much thickness of metal in the side walls and where the face met the action flats and have been known to crack especially if they were not tight on the face and well bolted down . This was also a problem in reproof . All this said there are many well maintained example out there that will give years of service if looked after but look for guns made post WW1 . As with all things there are good and bad and C&G have had a checkered reputation and I would really recommend a close examination by a competent gunsmith before parting with money if you want to buy one
  11. This is one of C & G's own guns ,based on the Edgar Harrison patent .I understand this gun action that was an attempt by C&G to be more "mass produced " in the sense of being more machined and assembled than " built" in the traditional manner . This is quite a nice example , but I have seen some that were very basic and looked it . Cogswell's do have mix reputation overall , but a lot comes down to lack of necessary care and attention , and yes the earlier guns were quite weak , having been designed in the days of black powder and have been know to crack across the bottom of the face especially in proof .
  12. After the introduction of breech loaders , the vast majority of guns sold in the UK had their origins in the workshops of Birmingham , London and a small amount from Belgium . No Provincial "gunmaker " had the facilities ie machine shops , and men to make complete guns . Yes they may well have bought barreled actions and finished them , or had the machine shops of Birmingham , Phillipsons or more likely Joseph Asbury , machined for them if they had the staff to do the rest . Barrels would have been bought in / ordered filed up ready for jointing .Even so this would have been beyond the capability of most names calling themselves gunmakers .Many of these were simply gunshops or more likely ironmongers who sold guns as part of their business . I do not claim this is an absolute and there will be exceptions but I can not think of any virtually unknown out of their area provincial "gunmaker" that falls into this category. This as before the mass importation of guns from the continent and the east . So if ordering a gun from Birmingham why not put your name on it ? Sell it as you own rather than as a Midland , Williams etal ect.
  13. I really dont know the answer to this . Webley did make a variety of guns apart from their normal boxlock/sidelock range . I very much doubt these would have been suitable for magnum loads . A couple of photos of the action especially the top lever would be helpful to say one way or the other .
  14. When I started in 1968 it was around 25 a week , this dropped of to 12/15 by 1977 when I left .
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