squirrelhunter Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Now up until recently i thought that hunting animals had no effect on a hunters respect for other living creatures but recent posts and experience seems to point to me that the power to take life has gone to some peoples heads. The recent "Ferret" incident and the views of some of my less than desirable friends at home, seems to indicate that hunting has a negative effect on weak mined and irresponsible people. Killing to get rid of "problem" animals and pets is becoming far to common and executed with an erie sense of enjoyment for the death and pain of a creature. Pest hunting should be enjoyed for being outdoors and the skill needed to bring down animals like pigeons. Not for the death of the creature. Ive heard nasty tales emerging of some new and younger hunters filling rabbits up with shot after shot of air pellets with no intention of giving a clean kill. This blasay attitude has to life has to stop. Creatures have feelings to. Some hunters need to think before they shoot, and should have more respect for their quarry and animals in general. If they dont then they should surrender their guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 I agree SQ but I think the majority are sensible hunters that pursue quarry for the sport and not just for the kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbus Polumbus Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 SH I have read your post and think you have made one flaw in your conclusions, those that participate in such acts cannot, in any descriptive way, call themselves or be considered to be hunters. They are nothing more than thugs who deserve prosecution to the full extent of the law. It is the actions of these people that have once again curtailed law abiding hunters, I'm talking about the latest restrictions on air rifles. You cannot legislate for these morons, they tried if you remember with handguns and that has failed terribly. What is required is for the police to use the current legislation which is sufficient to bring prosecutions as they are criminals with no resect for quarry or the law. It is only the law abiding that get punished by even more draconian legislation not the criminal because he doesn't care about laws anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelhunter Posted January 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Yes I agree, and by they're very actions they surrender the right to be called "Hunters" and are indeed thugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 I totally agree with you SH but i think that about 99% of the people on this forum have respect for their quarry and for the sport. But it was a very good point and its this minority of people that will end this great sport if the antis have their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermin Dropper Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 I totaly agree, It saddens me too thinking of the undeserved suffering bought to any animal let alone pets, I do class myself as a hunter and as such , make every effort to make a clean kill every time, no matter what the quarry. Any person who thinks any different doesn't deserve to own or hunt any creature what so ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 I have a couple of issues with this subject. Firstly, I feel the word 'hunter' is both draconian and hugely outdated in modern society. It sums up all kinds of images for the non-shooters etc. If we are hunters, then so too must the anglers etc of the world be 9by both inferrence and definition). That said, it takes on the feeling of an elitist club which will almost always irritate and inflame the anti movements. If you meet someone in the woods whilst stalking and tell them you are hunting they often look upon you as a killer. In the woods I am 'managing deer ecology', with rabbits I am controlling and managing a longterm crop and flora/fauna threat and with pigeons I am carrying out short term reactive pest control. It says what I do, but won't get a frosty response. I just feel we need to drift into the 21st Century in our argot (posh word for 'language') in our furtherance of our activities Secondly, Squirre Hunter makes reference to 'Pest hunting should be enjoyed for being outdoors and the skill needed to bring down animals like pigeons'. We can't deplore the actions of some, and then tell ourselves that its ok for us to kill stuff so long as its for the 'right reasons', i.e. being outside etc. How are we going to ensure only people with the right mindset can join in? Physchological profiling perhaps? No, of course not. I went on a driven pheasant day recently when the guns had absolutely no respect for the game they shot but no one would ever dream of taking them to task. The fact is we can't stop people taking part. If they pass the criteria for the licencing of the weapons they choose we are stuffed. And we can't ask for the criteria to be stiffened because we always cry its too rigid as it is . In conclusion, taking life is why we shoot. We don't aim to miss - although some of us shoot like we do!) we aim to stop the animal at all costs, hopefully with a clean kill. I shoot lots of pigeons and rabbits and always try to kill cleanly. But to a outsider, my failure to kill cleanly and injure my prey is just as bad as the person who deliberately maims the creature. The animal doesn't suffer less or feel better about being injured just because I was trying to kill it cleanly Its about education, not blame culture. Rather than chastise, humiliate and 'point the finger' perhaps we should be taking this 'rogue element' under our wings and taking them out for a few days to pass on how we think their game can be improved. At the end of the day, most people learn more from a role model than any book, video or chastise driven lecture Like I said, just an observation guys/girls PP PS Hey, Col Pol, I'm back!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Its an interesting subect. I think the thing that makes us fishermen, shooters, ferreters etc., is our old hunting instincts/desires. Have you noticed how many fishermen, also follow other "Country Sports" ? I have described my pheasant shooting as, "culling a managed resource" and pigeon shooting is, "vermin control". Its easy to be "in your face", with the general public, as we are practising a lawful pursuit, but a little diplomacy doesn,t hurt and it is only words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbus Polumbus Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 I know you are buddy, I was over weight when I started reading your post me ol' mucker Seriously, welcome back hope all is ok with you. pm me if you still want to meet up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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