kip270 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Went out this morning wanting to get some crows, managed this pair at 107yards with the .222 Using my new Stoney point quick attach bi-pod too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Well done Kip, good shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Excellent stuff Kip. Nice set up their. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Excuse me for asking, but aren't rifles (excluding Air rifles FAc or 12ft/lb) a bit of an overkill for winged vermin Not knocking you're ability to knock em down at 107 yds, but was wondering whats the cost per bullet againest say a 36gram 6's 12g cartridge or a .22/.177 air rifle pellet? Good pics mate, well done SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCM Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Good shooting Kip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Excuse me for asking, but aren't rifles (excluding Air rifles FAc or 12ft/lb) a bit of an overkill for winged vermin Not knocking you're ability to knock em down at 107 yds, but was wondering whats the cost per bullet againest say a 36gram 6's 12g cartridge or a .22/.177 air rifle pellet? Good pics mate, well done SS its not really a great concern tbh ive said it before and will maintain it, these setups cost £1k plus to buy, you then spend many many hours working on your home loads, putting yet more money into it, then spend time aquiring and driving to your permission, in a .222 which is handloaded, if you ignore the cost of the homeloading kit those rounds probably cost him somewhere in the region of 25-30p dependant on projectile cost at the time. 30p to get some satisfaction out of having done all of the above, trust me, its more than worth it another way of looking at it is that 30p is 3 shtos through a 12b, and everyone knows how difficult crows/magpies can be to get near, you may well use 2 or 3 shots per crow you actually hit. or a serious amount of time before you chance across one that is in range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Excuse me for asking, but aren't rifles (excluding Air rifles FAc or 12ft/lb) a bit of an overkill for winged vermin Not knocking you're ability to knock em down at 107 yds, but was wondering whats the cost per bullet againest say a 36gram 6's 12g cartridge or a .22/.177 air rifle pellet? Good pics mate, well done SS Cost doesn't come into it, a clean kill is what counts to me My reloading gear was given to me i only had to purchase the dies, powder,primer's, bullet heads. As nick said per round it's about 20-30p each. My .270 costs a £1 a round, so when i reload them i will be looking at about 40-50p per round, so i will be shooting crows with that also. There is NO SUCH THING AS OVERKILL, just DEAD, ONE SHOT ONE KILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 As I said before not knocking your ability to knock them over, it's just I think a tad dangerous to be doing it with anything other than an air rifle or shotgun owing to the tiny target/killspot at that distance with the calibre your using. I can see from the pictures that you were shooting over fields which contained sheep, and by the look was a bit hilly (Everything seems hilly when you live in Suffolk ) Once again, well done for taking out two vermin, but my opinion (and it is only my opinion) remains the same, its an expensive waste of money and bullets when shooting winged vermin at that sort of distance, not to mention the possibility of an easy miss or wrong bullet placement. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 As I said before not knocking your ability to knock them over, it's just I think a tad dangerous to be doing it with anything other than an air rifle or shotgun owing to the tiny target/killspot at that distance with the calibre your using. I can see from the pictures that you were shooting over fields which contained sheep, and by the look was a bit hilly (Everything seems hilly when you live in Suffolk ) Once again, well done for taking out two vermin, but my opinion (and it is only my opinion) remains the same, its an expensive waste of money and bullets when shooting winged vermin at that sort of distance, not to mention the possibility of an easy miss or wrong bullet placement. SS it might sound odd, but centerfires using expanding projectiles, more precisely b-tips are probably the safest form of rifle shooting. The second these touch anything they discintegrate (spelt that wrong) and unfortuantly shooting around livestock is part and parcel of vermin control. And trust me there is no such thing as wrong bullet placement with a crow and that sort of centerfire/range. If you hit it, the expansion/shock wave will make a very clean kill of it instantly. however you are welcome to your own opinion of course, just showing the other side of the argument for anyone reading this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 As I said before not knocking your ability to knock them over, it's just I think a tad dangerous to be doing it with anything other than an air rifle or shotgun owing to the tiny target/killspot at that distance with the calibre your using. I can see from the pictures that you were shooting over fields which contained sheep, and by the look was a bit hilly (Everything seems hilly when you live in Suffolk ) Once again, well done for taking out two vermin, but my opinion (and it is only my opinion) remains the same, its an expensive waste of money and bullets when shooting winged vermin at that sort of distance, not to mention the possibility of an easy miss or wrong bullet placement. SS What has the size of the target got to do with safety? You never shoot a deer on top of a hill that has no backstop.. I would only ever take a shot when I can clearly see a backstop that would be safe enough to shoot into without a target. Be it a Deer or a Varmint. It also cheaper for me at 70p per shot, compared to £1 for shotgun cartridges (Im hopeless with a shotgun) so for me, its more cost efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 If you have a rifle its more interesting to shoot winged vermin to my mind than targets for instance. At that range it should be one shot one kill so the cost works out cheaper than shotgun shooting and a lot more efficient. Its perfect for getting the ones that stay just out of shotgun range, and this is the time of year to do it before they start raiding game /song bird nests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Also, A non fac air rifle is difficult to get crows and rooks on open land! I doubt Kip would have stood a chance of getting within 30yds for an air rifle shot. The photo's show the land he shoots is really quite open. I have the same problem 400 acres of shooting but no cover and only a .22 air rifle to shoot rooks & the odd woody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 As I said before not knocking your ability to knock them over, it's just I think a tad dangerous to be doing it with anything other than an air rifle or shotgun owing to the tiny target/killspot at that distance with the calibre your using. I can see from the pictures that you were shooting over fields which contained sheep, and by the look was a bit hilly (Everything seems hilly when you live in Suffolk ) Once again, well done for taking out two vermin, but my opinion (and it is only my opinion) remains the same, its an expensive waste of money and bullets when shooting winged vermin at that sort of distance, not to mention the possibility of an easy miss or wrong bullet placement. SS I know your not knocking my ability to shoot them with my .222 Before i squeeze the trigger i always take the backdrop into account, if the shot is not safe i will not take it. Also you mention the TINY target/killspot at that distance, it is to do with confidence in your ability and i have worries taking crows out to 200yards, and once hit with a C/F bullet they are not going anywhere. If i miss it is a clean miss. Here is the field they were shot on (not the one with the sheep in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Cost doesn't come into it, gees kip you can be scottish saying stuff like that kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Bruce Potts in Shooting Sports did a very good right up about this type of pest control. top man kip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Cost doesn't come into it, gees kip you can be scottish saying stuff like that kirky That's because i am a WELSHMAN living in scotland, so i can say things like that Cheers Guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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