Zapp Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 What a joke my feo rang me to say his boss isn't happy with my application as I had a harassment warning about 5 years ago from my ex wife. Never had anything since. The FEO is only going to ring my ex wife and ask her if she's happy with me having a sgc certificate. Oh my days lol Well that just sounds to me like they are making extra checks (which is, in fairness, their job) and are keeping you informed as to why. I wouldnt worry too much about it, since from what you are saying your ex wife will not be dishing any dirt on you. Getting stressed about it or binning your application is counterproductive and wont help your case any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 What a joke my feo rang me to say his boss isn't happy with my application as I had a harassment warning about 5 years ago from my ex wife. Never had anything since. The FEO is only going to ring my ex wife and ask her if she's happy with me having a sgc certificate. Oh my days lol When I applied for my license I had been separated from my wife for just over a year and they still checked. Just doing there job was my veiw on it. I wouldn't worry to much just start looking for a gun 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2302 Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 He rang my ex today and she said she happy with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 thats good, now as said go look for a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 He rang my ex today and she said she happy with it I still can not believe they have done this, what are character references for when they just go and ask basically a "joe bloggs" if they think your fit to hold a sgc . Just as well your on pretty good terms with your ex as if you weren't she could make up all sorts of rubbish to prevent you getting a sgc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2302 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I'll be informing basc of this just incase it's malpractice. It's beyond me why they contacted her. I left her in 2007/2008. She reported me for texting her back then I signed a police for to say I won't contact her and to this day there has been no further problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I'll be informing basc of this just incase it's malpractice. It's beyond me why they contacted her. I left her in 2007/2008. She reported me for texting her back then I signed a police for to say I won't contact her and to this day there has been no further problems I believe if your ex had told the police that you were not fit to hold a sgc and they actually acted on her info and refused your app you could of got it over turned by a shooting organisation within a couple of days which makes the whole process of asking somone like an ex totally ridiculous . They should rely on facts and opinions of professionals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I believe if your ex had told the police that you were not fit to hold a sgc and they actually acted on her info and refused your app you could of got it over turned by a shooting organisation within a couple of days which makes the whole process of asking somone like an ex totally ridiculous . They should rely on facts and opinions of professionals The police are duty bound to follow up and investigate any intelligence they hold on an applicant to determine his fitness to hold a fac/sgc. As in the case of the OP, they have followed the rules and determined, quite rightly in his case, that his application should proceed. Quite why anyone would not expect the police to assess intelligence or records held on an applicant is beyond me, particularly when the police are now paying particular attention to domestic disputes. Whilst we know that the OP has in no way whatsoever been involved in domestic violence, it is inevitable that one whiff of "a domestic" reported to the police will trigger such an investigation. I quote from the guidance............ Evidence of aggressive or anti-social behaviour, which may include domestic disputes or evidence of hostility likely to lead to violent acts against particular groups categorised by, for example, race, gender, disability, sexual orientation, age, religion or class. As at (a) above, an assessment will need to be made of each case, particularly as regards the seriousness of individual incidents When considering applications for the grant or renewal of firearm/shotgun certificates particular attention should be paid to domestic incidents, specifically violence and patterns of behaviour by the applicant which give cause for concern (see below for the definition of domestic violence and abuse). An incident of domestic violence taking place should trigger a need for police to review whether the certificate holder can be permitted to possess the firearm or shotgun without causing a danger to public safety or to the peace. Each case must be assessed by the police on its merits, on the basis of the strength of the evidence available and all the circumstances of the case. Interviews with partners who may be victims of domestic violence may be judged essential to making a complete assessment of an application. Such interviews need to be conducted with sensitivity, and officers must take into account that a victim of domestic violence may be unwilling to speak openly with the police for fear of further violence or reprisals. Information provided during interview must be treated as confidential. Officers must have received adequate training so that they are aware of the indicators of domestic abuse, and how to support victims and keep them safe. They should be aware that there may be a need to take active steps to protect an applicant’s partner from reprisals. This is particularly important in the event that the partner is interviewed in connection with the application and provides information which leads to a refusal or revocation since the applicant might blame their partner and resort to violence An applicant’s partner is not required to give approval for the issue of the firearm or shotgun certificate and this should be made clear to them. The responsibility lies with the police to make the decision based on all the evidence available. Similarly, the police will assess evidence provided by other family members, friends or associates of the applicant where this is considered to be necessary Chief officers need not rely only on convictions when considering the suitability of applicants to possess firearms without danger to the safety of the public or the peace. In particular chief officers should be aware that they can take hearsay evidence into account and not have to rely directly on spouses/partners when considering domestic related incidents. Hearsay evidence could include the evidence of police officers attending scenes of domestic incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2302 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Let me just clear this up. My issue is NOT domestic violence and never has been. It was just a warning over text messages when she caught me having an affair lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Let's just hope it comes through quickly and you can go and get a gun and some shells! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Let me just clear this up. My issue is NOT domestic violence and never has been. It was just a warning over text messages when she caught me having an affair lol Which is exactly the reason I wrote "Whilst we know that the OP has, in no way whatsoever been involved in domestic violence, it is inevitable that one whiff of "a domestic" reported to the police will trigger such an investigation" The purpose of my post was to demonstrate to Jay that the police do not consider speaking to spouses, friends and acquaintances ridiculous. Rather, they consider it essential. What is regrettable is that some spouses have twigged this and make scurrilous claims to the police to get their own back on wayward husbands !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Which is exactly the reason I wrote "Whilst we know that the OP has, in no way whatsoever been involved in domestic violence, it is inevitable that one whiff of "a domestic" reported to the police will trigger such an investigation" The purpose of my post was to demonstrate to Jay that the police do not consider speaking to spouses, friends and acquaintances ridiculous. Rather, they consider it essential. What is regrettable is that some spouses have twigged this and make scurrilous claims to the police to get their own back on wayward husbands !! but if the police think the info they may gather could be false due to a grudge that their informant may have against the applicant how can they use it to ***** them, the op says that no violence was used and I gather no violent threats were made so I can not see why in his case his ex needed to be involed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2302 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I'll just wait and see Wat happens. I'm not holding my breath over it and iv also spent my gun money savings now. My ex agreed on the certificate issue and said she had no worries so ill wait n see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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